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[WaPo] The top Democrats calling on Biden to drop out of the 2024 election

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  1. Amiga

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    Sounds like that, but... the 12th Amendment states: "But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States". The 22nd Amendment alone doesn't disqualify Obama from being elected as VP. The 12th Amendment combined with the 22nd Amendment does.

    Textually, anyway.
     
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    It's never been tested, but Hilary Clinton's advisors apparently told her Bill would not be eligible to serve as her running mate due to that issue. As the single most important duty of the Vice President is to become the President, it would be rather absurd to allow someone to be elected Vice President who could not legally be elected President (and rules of statutory instruction call to avoid absurdities). Your interpretation, which has certainly been floated before, would also create a scenario whereby people could circumvent the 22nd Amendment by running for Vice President while making it clear to the voters that the top of the ticket would simply resign after Inauguration.
     
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    12th amendment would like a word.
     
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    but Jill the president breh
     
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    aint-nobody-got-time-for-that-sweet-brown.gif
     
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    True it’s never been tested and Hillary Clinton was entitled to her opinion. The actual text though of the amendment show it is possible.

    Note, I’m not saying Obama should be VP or this is a likelihood just that the text doesn’t prohibit it.
     
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    The 22nd amendment only says eligibility to stand for election and not elegibity for office. That is actually a big distincition. The 12th Amendment does say that the President and VP run together so there could be an argument that the VP is running for election but it further goes on to say that the electors are casting votes specifically for President.
     
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    lies, all lies

    White House spokesman Andrew Bates denied that any such exit discussions are happening amongst the family.

    "That is not happening, period," he said. "The individuals making those claims are not speaking for his family or his team — and they will be proven wrong. Keep the faith."
    keep. the. faith.
     
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    PROOF

    Biden campaign reiterates president will be nominee in post-RNC memo

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4781478-biden-campaign-nomination-rnc-project-2025/

    excerpt:

    The Biden campaign reiterated in a new memo following the Republican National Convention that the president will be the Democratic nominee, even as the party remains embroiled in disagreement about the path forward. The memo also targeted Project 2025, which Donald Trump has disavowed.

    “Joe Biden has made it more than clear: he’s in this race and he’s in it to win it. Moreover, he’s the presumptive nominee, there is no plan for an alternative nominee,” wrote Dan Kanninen, Biden campaign battleground states director in the memo, obtained by The Hill.

    “In a few short weeks, Joe Biden will be the official nominee. It is high past time we stop fighting one another. The only person who wins when we fight is Donald Trump.”
    PROOF. keep the faith. more at the link
     
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    well we all know the Wall Street Journal can't be trusted

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/democr...ald-trump-363a0701?mod=hp_opin_pos_2#cxrecs_s

    Democrats Prepare for the Biden Coup
    The President won’t stay in power through 2028. It’s more honest if Vice President Harris faces voters now.
    By The Editorial Board
    July 18, 2024 at 6:24 pm ET

    One thing we’ve learned over the years is that Washington Democrats are ruthless when threatened by a loss of power. You almost have to admire their cold-blooded calculation. President Biden is now learning this harsh lesson as the Democratic-media complex organizes to, er, persuade him to withdraw from the presidential race.

    That effort, which began after Mr. Biden’s failed debate on June 27, is now in full orchestrated gale. The President hasn’t taken the hint to drop out from the withdrawal calls by the media and Congress’s backbenchers, so now the big names are letting it be known they too want Joe to go.

    The calls for Mr. Biden to step aside halted for a few days after the assassination attempt on Donald Trump. But they’re picking up as the GOP puts on a show of unity at its Milwaukee convention this week. The polls are also turning against Mr. Biden, with some swing state surveys moving toward Donald Trump outside the margin of error.

    So the backstage coup accelerates. First the press learns, somehow, that Hakeem Jeffries, the House Democratic leader, and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer have visited Mr. Biden to deliver the news that he could cost Democrats control of Congress. Neither man denies it when asked.

    The press also learns that former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a master of political martial arts, delivered the same message to Mr. Biden. On Thursday came word, again leaked to the press, that Barack Obama is likewise concerned about Mr. Biden’s ability to defeat Donald Trump. Et tu, Barack?

    Mr. Biden may continue to hold out, and he still commands the delegates to win the nomination at the August convention or before that in a mooted virtual vote. But the party message to the President is: You’re on a path to lose; you’ll take down the House and Senate too; your legacy will be ruined and, by the way, we’ll never forgive you.

    Mr. Biden is justified in resenting this brutal turn, since these same Democrats were complicit in his decision to run for a second term. They thought he was a useful figurehead as long as they thought he could win again. Only Dean Phillips, the Minnesota Congressman, was brave enough to tell the truth about Mr. Biden’s infirmity and run against him. The rest all covered for Mr. Biden’s cognitive decline until the debate made that impossible.

    Axios now reports that Mr. Biden could make the decision to withdraw as early as this weekend. Mark that story down as another form of pressure on Mr. Biden to stop being so stubborn. If this keeps up, the furniture moving vans might show up at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue with the Bidens still living there.

    Our view has long been that Mr. Biden shouldn’t run again because he is no longer up to the rigors of the job. There’s little chance he would make it through another four years in office. In that sense, withdrawing now and letting Vice President Harris compete for the job is truth in advertising. It’s more honest for Ms. Harris to run for President now in her own right rather than inherit the job in a year or two when Mr. Biden resigns.

    So much the better if Ms. Harris must compete with one or more others for the job at an open convention or some mini-primary. She’ll have to show if she’s better than she was as a candidate in 2019. That could be too much uncertainty for Democrats to tolerate, and they may hesitate to jump over a black woman. But even Ms. Harris does better than Mr. Biden in the polls against Mr. Trump.

    As for the Republicans, a Biden withdrawal will mean a harder race. Democrats will rally around Ms. Harris or some other nominee, and so will the press. Mr. Trump won’t be able to win almost by default. Democrats will get a better standard bearer for their record in office, and if they still lose they won’t have Mr. Biden’s infirmity as an excuse.

    Appeared in the July 19, 2024, print edition as 'Democrats Prepare for the Biden Coup'.
     
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    TY!
     
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    If Biden publicly announces he is stepping down should I believe him?
     
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