Ya is this gaslighting @MystikArkitect How many people who even don't like Jalen and like Cam would say that statement with a straight face? Are you purposefully typing off the wall bat **** stuff to trigger people?
Can can shoot a basketball, that makes him better at what we need the SG on this team to do. Everything else is irrelevant.
Believe me when I tell you, I could not care less about your read of me because of my opinions on one player. I hold a different opinion of the Rockets overall than I hold of Jalen.
Maybe @MystikArkitect just doesn't watch the Rockets play? There is this select group of prolific posters here who don't war h games but occasionally and have very low opinions of Jalen and will see some highlight next season of Green doing some impressive finish and they will comment "wow he's grown. Never seen him do that" and I'll proceed to show them ten times he's done it in previous seasons. Literally had someone do this with claiming this is the first time they saw Jalen do a europstep while in reality it's like his 20th successful one he's executed. Is that maybe you?
You don't have to care about me. I'm just pointing to you that as a Rocket fan you've never experience a rebuild like this. Give another explanation for Jalen breaking these type of records? I'm literally giving you an in to dismiss his impressive stats by acknowledging that you aren't used to rebuilds. His impressive stats are largely due to the fact that this franchise has never had this situation of 19-21 year olds with high usage. So yes a large part of Green's impressive totals before turning 22 is due to the Rockets never being in this type of situation.
He was a mindless chucker that was given the green light to chuck up as many shots as he wanted for years because his chucking helped the team tank. It's a "record" because few teams would allow a terrible player like that to keep chucking for years sabotaging the team. It's not something to celebrate.
Breaking a record as to being the youngest player to score 4000 points as a rocket? Let’s start with how many teenagers the Rockets have ever drafted in franchise history? It’s a pretty small pool…in an era where averaging 20 ppg doesn’t mean what it did before. Counting stats are crazy right now. The number of guys who score on average 20 ppg is a ton larger than it was even 6 or 7 seasons ago.
So you aren't used to a rebuild. Thanks for agreeing. I don't think you understand the point I'm making replying to you. It isn't to gas up Jalen.
This is why I said I couldn’t care less of your read on my opinions and why I generally avoid conversation with you. You’re insufferable. You can’t disagree without insulting people. I’m sure you see that as a strength. It’s not.
Maybe have a dose of self awareness then. It's funny how people want their cake and eat it also. You want to say you are used to these rebuild situations and then dismiss a historical feet of Jalen's that is based on the fact the Rockets are new to this type of rebuild situation of giving 19 year old guards high usage.
Rockets fans went through this same thing in the Steve Francis era, there was a ton of hype behind a mindless chucker taken 2nd overall in the draft who was supposed to be the franchise... he never learned how to shoot and was a bust. He scored 4200 points in his first 3 seasons and the Rockets were worse off for it... but it lead to tanking for Yao
I'm merely pointing out some of the stupidity of my inferiors, that's not a conversation. Since they are inferiors, they need to pretend to not see their BS propaganda being shredded to pieces, which is fine by me. The important part is that their stupidity not go uncontested.
I was curious and looked up his numbers month to month. Obviously some of that stuff is impossible to quantify so I'm adding a plus-minus number at the end as kinda overall impact. First number is October+November since there were only 3 October games. Also last number is April which only had 8 games. Rebounds: 4.4/4.4/5.6/4.8/6.3/5.4 Assists: 3.4/2.9/3.5/3.7/3.9/4.4 Steals+Blocks (proximation for defense/intensity): 1.0/0.8/1.1/1.2/1.6/1.1 Plus/Minus (proximation for effect on team): +2.6/-5.1/-0.2/-5.1/11.4/-5.6 Minutes per game: 32/28/32/29/37/32 I don't know about you but that clearly doesn't match the "CONSISTENTLY got better" argument you're making. At least not in the results. And one can argue some of the higher stats are due to Sengun being out and Jabari playing more at the 5 which leads to more rebounding/assists. I also added his MPG numbers because if he actually has played better but we as fans are too stupid to realize it, then that should reflect on his minutes played. Again, the numbers vacillate heavily here. And the Rockets had a lot of injuries last year too so it's not like he's losing minutes to studs. Overall, results just don't match narratives. In the end, he is what he's always been. He just look a bit better because the team is better.
Fair about Amen and Cam. Jabari had been a good shooter before NBA. His rookie season was bad. He quickly improved in his second season and is already a much better shooter than Jalen. Shooting translates most of the time even if it doesn't happen immediately. Jalen has never been a great shooter on any level, unlike Jabari and Reed. No reasonable person would think that Jalen is the same caliber shooter than those guys. Again, I am not saying Holiday is a more valuable player. No need to counter that. His shooting accuracy is likely not reached by Jalen any time soon. Let me repeat my point in case you missed it. There are promising young players on our roster who have already shown quite a bit of elite skills that Jalen does not possess. If Jalen is out of the picture as our future core, the team probably won't be worse than if he is there. BUT if Jalen turns out to be everything we hope, then we will be a much better team.
I said I was used to rebuild situations of all my teams. I'm used to teams playing poorly and disappointing...and some times being fantastic. It's part of being a sports fan. My opinions of Jalen and my opinions of the rebuild, generally, are different. And you don't have to be rebuilding to draft a 19 year old.
