You call it lazy analysis yet it correlates directly to W's and L's in an almost linear fashion Jalen shoots "league average" and the team wins at a 65% clip. Jalen shoots below "league average" and the team wins at a 35% rate. His shooting has a huge impact upon the offense in general - it's the difference between good spacing and none. It's what gets him space to blow by defenders or not and opens the floor for shooters as well as Sengun in the middle. Call it lazy if you want - its statistical facts.
27 of them above average. 12 below average (between .301-.333). 43 @ .169 43+12= 55/82 = 67% of the season below average to piss poor. So again .... is that awful or is that average? Is that hate or is that just fact?
Yes on the surface that appears really bad. The missing data point is how other players in the NBA appear when looking at that same statistic. If only like the 15-20 wings/guards have fewer games with low shooting percentage versus say 40 wings/guards, then those 2 situations changes the whole frame of reference on which to judge Jalen's consistency. The other assumption that you seem to be making is that the other wings on the team (Cam/Reed/etc.) would have fewer games with low shooting percentages when playing increased minutes, increased usage and commensurate increased defensive attention from other teams. That is still very much an unknown. I would agree that it would make sense for the Rockets to quickly test if other young core guys can do that, but it is hard to do that without essentially making Jalen feel like he is failed. That could also easily kill his confidence, his trust in the team, and/or his trade value.
I’ve been a fan of all Houston teams for my entire 50 year old life. For most of my life those franchises haven’t been great. I’ve seen rebuild after rebuild. My opinion on one player doesn’t deserve a “well you just can’t handle it” response.
You can't handle a rebuild. You know how I can tell. Shrodinger's impressive Green stats. Like being the youngest Rocket in franchise history to reach 4000 pts with the second youngest being nearly 2 years older which is a massive gap when they did it. Are you impressed by that stat? Well when I bring it up every detractor says it's a useless feat. Why? If you are used to rebuilds as a Rocket fan explain that The Rockets never went through a rebuild like this.
The problem is that there hasn't been significant growth when it comes to Jalen Green, he's effectively the same player right now that he was coming into the league. A team rebuilding doesn't mean you stop having standards and it sure as hell doesn't mean paying a low BBIQ inefficient chucker when they never substantially improve and become a starting caliber player. Cheering on flashy garbage is how you end up stuck in mediocrity forever.
Reed hasnt played one single regular season NBA game and we're going to crown him "better" already? Hasty generalization. With Amen his ast to turnover ratio isnt exactly blowing me away as a guy touted to be a point. He's capable, but his future lies in the wings and not as a lead guard in the NBA IMO, but he is certainly a willing and apt passer. I'd expect his rebounds and steals to be better as an interior player and he is a more instinctive defender I do agree. Their responsibilities are different. Cam is a catch and shoot slasher. He’s going to put his head down and go 1 on 5 - if that’s what you consider power scoring ok. He’s got enough juice to create some space, but it’s not in the same league as Jalen. Cam is figuring it out like the rest of the guys they all have warts. Aaron Holiday. Cmon bro.
You are moving the goal post. I didn't say any of those players were better players than Jalen. I said they could do things Jalen couldn't do, just like Jalen could do things they couldn't. Then you asked me what were those things. I answered you. Your reply is just saying exactly that--they aren't the same kind of players. I didn't say Reed was better than Jalen. I said he was a much better shooter and stealer. Are you denying that? I didn't mention about Reed's vision. But he has already shown in college and in summer league. I've never seen Jalen do very well in that regards. Amen wasn't asked to play point most of the time, neither was Jalen. You can't look at his assists number and judge his court vision. (BTW, his assists/TO ratio is still better than Jalen's.) If you can't see how much better his processing speed and vision is better than Jalen, then nothing can convince you. Cam has a more powerful body that can finish at the rim Jalen never could. Are you denying that? Holiday shot 40% from 3 in the last three seasons. Do you think Jalen will ever be able to shoot that well in consecutive seasons?
If every prospect that had a high 3 pt efficiency before joining the NBA became an excellent shooter in the NBA, NBA scouting would be so easy. The likely hood Reed being a better shooter is high but definitely not a certainty due to not having played a single NBA game. NBA games take more energy out of you and make your legs more tired. It's hard to tell if the difference in Amen and Jalen as processors is due to mindset or actually processing speed. Jalen believes he has special crafty finishing talent and sometimes tries to do too much after he beats perimeter defenses while Amen might just know his limitations more and just pass out the moment he beats a defender and not force it. Amen also passed out when defenders aren't even guarding him as hell give up a wide open shot. Jalen has a higher fg% inside the restricted area according to bball ref than Cam and that includes the context that Cam gets a lot more of his at the rim buckets in open transition and closeouts while Green gets a lot more of his at the rim buckets against set defenses. Cam could have a higher fg% inside the paint and still be a worse finisher because his attempts are generally easier. But that isn't even the case. There really is no argument that Cam is a better finisher even with the strength advancement. Green has the significant skill and touch advantage around the rim that outweigh Cam's strength advantage
Reed is already a better shooter than Jalen Green and has much more active hands. You don't need to see him play in NBA games to admit that. Aaron Holiday is a career 39% shooter. I doubt Jalen will ever shoot 39% from 3 in a single season. He hasn't gotten anywhere close. Cam is better at creating separation than Jalen is, hence why his percentages are higher. Jalen has faster acceleration than Cam but bad touch around the rim and a loose handle so it's moot. He isn't Tyrese Maxey or Steph or Kyrie who have insane touch around the rim. Jalen is more likely to get stuffed at the rim than he is to make a layup. And for some reason he makes the shots harder than they need to be. That's the main difference between him and Reed. Reed makes things look easy and Jalen makes things look hard as hell. It's a moot point. Jalen doesn't even have a full season this time to show progress. He has 3 replacements waiting in the wings. If he comes out....like he always has....the cord is getting pulled and he's either going to RFA or he's getting traded.
Rockets lost but he outplayed Ant Edwards by a lot. Watch the game. Green looked like a better ball handler and shot creator than Ant that entire game. Just some examples. The best Rocket game since the Rockets were fighting in the playoffs multiple seasons ago was against the Thunder and t was that great of a game because of Jalen.
Im not going to say Reed Sheppard is better at anything right now. I expected Jabari SMith to be more impactful as a rookie and that didnt go according to plan so Im cool with being patient and not needing to make unfounded claims with the hopes they make me look smart later. Amens Ast/TO ratio was almost identical to what Jalens was as a rookie. I expect Amen will improve in that department because he's been a natural passer his whole life. I'd expect the sensible conclusion would be to say Amen is a better passer no? He's stout on defense. He has the luxury of taking plays off on offense. The gap is not as wide as you may think. Jalen Green shooting percentage 0-3 feet = .692 Cam Whitmore shooting percentage 0-3 feet = .642 From 3-10 feet Cam does have a distinct statistical advantage, but we're talking about finishing at the cup right? Aaron Holiday career high points scored as a professional is 25 points. For all of his "awesome" stats the guy has never been more than a bench player. I expect Jalens 3pt shooting to climb. Does it need to be 40% to make him a valuable NBA player?
Cam absolutely isn't better at creating separation. Hence his calling card is attacking closeouts and open transition and isn't asked to break down half court defenses by himself like Jalen. Jalen has a higher fg% inside the restricted area than Cam btw and Cam has a easier shot selection at the rim with more open transition pts and closeouts being a significantly larger portion of his finishes at the rim while a significantly larger portion of Green's finishes are beating half court defense against the point of attack defense Green definitely has a soft creative touch around the rim along with great body control.
