In a sworn affidavit. You left out that part. You also were unable to elaborate why that was a problem. You also left out the numerous other examples.
When your argument is based on stuff like a woman without a weapon making a joking comment while LEAVING the Capitol (as noted by the judge and the reason not to prosecute her from the AUSA), a guy that wasn't even there because he had car trouble (but made threatening statements he never acted upon after the fact), a guy that never went into the building and lost his gun, you don't have much. You know how you can tell they weren't intending to kill anyone? They took no affirmative steps towards actually killing anyone. The best evidence you provided was the chants, which I previously addressed. There is no evidence of anyone on January 6th actually attempting to hurt any politicians. There are those few that attacked officers and they should be punished just like anyone else in America that attacks someone, in fact I would argue for a harsher sentence than someone like Yvette Falarca got for attacking a political opponent on video.
They did take affirmative action. They broke into the capitol and violently attacked law enforcement in their efforts. Prior to the 20th, they actually scouted and plotted out entrances etc. They were armed, violent and said that was what they wanted to do. You don't have to believe them, but again, it isn't unfounded.
some clarifying details here: "Butler town manager Tom Knights says that the local police officer who "interrupted" Thomas Crooks was hanging from the roof after being lifted up by an officer. Crooks then pointed his rifle at the officer which then forced him to fall. The officer who fell and the officer who was holding him, radioed into a "blanket tactical channel" to notify that an armed individual was on the roof. Knights said there has been no direct communication with members of the Secret Service to Butler officials."
We are completely changing the Jan 6th narrative. Not like it happened several years back. It is fresh in the memories and we saw it live. Few of friends here are scoffing off and sarcastically mentioning the Democracy will not die if Trump get elected. That is true. It will not change overnight and Trump is not going to ban all institutions and declare himself king. That will not happen. But this kind of normalizing starts happening. The needle starts moving. What is acceptable starts changing. Law is made my man. It is not as powerful as we think it is. It can be changed as easily as it is made. January 6th is an attempt to restrict the government from functioning. There were enough examples of its planning and execution. I was wondering what the end game was going to be as the group of people gathered in DC, the president speeches, other prominent leader railing up the crowd, zealous senators pumping fists and trial by combat cries etc etc etc. I never expected it to end where it did nor did I expect us to sit here and reconsider the gravity of situation that day. I thought that day would change the mind of few people and have us all reassess the path we were heading. Lets go back to that day in time and listen to all the leaders from both sides. What they said in that moment. That is the real commentary of what happened that day
And it should not be normalized either. Failure of Secret service in handling Assassination attempt on ex-president and presumptive nominee is what we saw on July 13th. It will go down as a black day in their history. The administration will have to provide details on what went wrong. The profile of the person that attempted assassination is so random that many here are calling conspiracy theories. It was random and unpredictable. They are 2 different events and are not connected
yeah, not to minimize Jan 6, but the alternative perspective sees Jan 6 as a three hour riot that got seriously out of hand, whereas the BLM/George Floyd protests involved three weeks' worth of violent rioting that cost some 19 lives and some $2 billion worth of insured property losses. If anything is being normalized, it's the idea that the BLM protests were "mostly peaceful" and that such riots are an understandable and/or justifiable form of civic protest. In contrast, Jan 6 would seem to be a unique historic event that is unlikely to be repeated.
A three hour riot …with the express purpose of overturning the results of the election and overrunning the Capitol, and based on the utterly unsubstantiated lie that the election was stolen. And yes, the BLM/Floyd protests were violent riots that caused extensive damage and lives … yet, at least they were based on actual facts and the truth that a black man was again murdered by police. Others can debate whether the protests were “justifiable”, but they were grounded in fact and a truth.
Here's the full article from which that timeline came from. https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-ass...tion-continues-new-details/story?id=112020474 Twenty minutes is a long time. Also, if they spotted someone on the roof 10 minutes before Trump took the stage, why couldn't they have told Trump to wait before going on while they checked out the potential danger?
The violence of BLM protests was strongly denounced by the President several times. I heard it my self 2 -3 times on TV. Also I believe he wrote an article somewhere in the media, cant recall exactly. There is a difference between protests and riots/looting. Riots and looting is not protests. it is crime. I haven't heard the looters called patriots and innocent victims. They have to be punished as per the law for similar crimes. There is a challenge of comparing 2 different riots/events. It leads to several false equivalencies. The protests over Floyd death were not just connected to that incident. There were a culmination of several such incidents which were believed to have thrown under the rug. It was in a sense a boiling. The black man being unfairly targeted in law and order situations has been going on for several years. The gravity of Jan 6th is different and of a greater consequence in my opinion.It could definitely be a one off event and unlikely to be repeated only if we treat it in the right way. If normalized and not dealt with, every time a group that doesn't believe certain facts is incited, it will make a run on Capitol. Protesting is a right in democracy. If some believe black lives are targeted, they have right to protest. If some believe election was stolen, they have right to protest. Eventually one has to accept the facts, even when it doesn't match ones beliefs.. be it stolen election or black lives.
The George Floyd protests weren't based on lies told by the leader of the party. They weren't an atrempt to overturn the vote of the American people.
LOL, somehow I completely missed this thread. Adding the NY article here How it went down. They had their eye on him an hour before, and again 20 minutes before the shooting, but lost him. A blind spot for a sniper to exploit, and a decision not to cancel when he went missing — these will be scrutinized in the Secret Service investigations. It seems the boy intended to cause more harm, possibly with bombs, targeting high-level officials. Trump happened to be nearest to him. He might also have been severely depressed. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/17/us/politics/secret-service-trump-shooting.html About an hour before a gunman let loose a volley of bullets that nearly assassinated a former president, the law enforcement contingent in Butler, Pa., was on the verge of a great policing success. Among the thousands of people streaming in to cheer former President Donald J. Trump at a campaign rally on Saturday, local officers spotted one skinny young man acting oddly and notified other law enforcement. The Secret Service, too, was informed, through radio communication. The suspicious man did not appear to have a weapon. Remarkably, law enforcement had found the right man — Thomas Matthew Crooks, a would-be assassin, though officers did not know that at the time. Then they lost track of him. Twenty minutes before violence erupted, a sniper, from a distance, spotted Mr. Crooks again and took his picture. As time slipped away, at least two local officers were pulled from traffic detail to help search for the man. But the Secret Service, the agency charged with protecting Mr. Trump, did not stop him from taking the stage. Eight minutes after Mr. Trump started to speak, Mr. Crooks fired off bullets that left the Republican presidential nominee bloodied and a rally visitor dead. The call to let the rally go ahead while law enforcement looked for a potentially dangerous person is one of many Secret Service decisions now being called into question. The agency is also under scrutiny for allowing a building within a rifle’s range to be excluded from its secure perimeter, creating a blind spot close to the former president that the gunman exploited. ... Even as investigators continue to examine what happened, it is already clear that there were multiple missed opportunities to stop Mr. Crooks before the situation turned deadly. On July 8, an advance team walked the site, the Butler Farm Show grounds, to assess a security threat. Agents worked with local law enforcement and explained what the Secret Service would handle and what law enforcement would be expected to do. Crucially, the Secret Service decided that a group of warehouses to the north of the stage would be excluded from the security zone, despite being only about 450 feet from Mr. Trump’s podium. That was within a rifle’s range. But that created a blind spot, outside the security perimeter but well within rifle range of Mr. Trump. It was exploited by a gunman with no military training and little subtlety, who showed up early and acted oddly enough that police photographed him and distributed his picture, though with no weapon in view. ... But in the aftermath, when the F.B.I. was able to finally access Mr. Crooks’s cellphones and other electronic devices, agents could see that he had searched for images of Mr. Trump as well as President Biden, Attorney General Merrick B. Garland and even F.B.I. Director Christopher A. Wray. Mr. Crooks also had at typed in “major depressive disorder” and searched for dates and places for appearances for both Mr. Biden and Mr. Trump. One of Mr. Trump’s planned appearances happened to be about 50 miles from Mr. Crooks’s house in Bethel Park, Pa. ... In his car, a Hyundai Sonata, Mr. Crooks brought an AR-15 style rifle, bought by his father more than a decade earlier. And he brought two homemade bombs, in which a potentially explosive mixture of fertilizer and fuel was packed inside empty ammunition cans that were roughly the size of a toolbox. The bombs were fitted with a remote-control receiver — the type typically used to set off fireworks displays remotely — according to another federal government report seen by The Times. The report said the bombs appeared designed to be set off by a remote control. He brought that, too. ... In his pocket, he carried a remote control to the bombs in his car. It was not clear if he had tried to use it, or if the bombs were made well enough to explode.
Yeah, why didn't Trump's very loyal team of Secret Service agents who are always with and liyal to him, not do their job? Don't make this about something it's not. There was no "stand down" order. ******* stupidity in here.
