https://www.inquirer.com/news/penns...-crooks-trump-shooter-id-butler-20240714.html Former student Max R. Smith remembered Crooks as an intelligent classmate with conservative political leanings. Smith recalled participating in a mock debate in a course they took together, where their teacher posed questions on government policy and had students stand on opposite sides of the classroom to signal their support or opposition. “The majority of the class were on the liberal side, but Tom, no matter what, always stood his ground on the conservative side,” Smith said. “That’s still the picture I have of him. Just standing alone on one side while the rest of the class was on the other. ... It makes me wonder why he would carry out an assassination attempt on the conservative candidate.”
I think you are misrepresenting the report’s findings. While did not “establish” that collusion occurred that falls within the legal parameters it defined, this is different from saying any such claims are “baseless”.
Just to expand on what @wompwomp posted above... We don't know the full extent of the goings on between Russia and the Trump camp because no one would cooperate or tell the f'ing truth. Why?/ Gee, I dunno. But let's not act like nothing was discovered... The Special Counsel investigation uncovered extensive criminal activity The investigation produced 37 indictments; seven guilty pleas or convictions; and compelling evidence that the president obstructed justice on multiple occasions. Mueller also uncovered and referred 14 criminal matters to other components of the Department of Justice. Trump associates repeatedly lied to investigators about their contacts with Russians, and President Trump refused to answer questions about his efforts to impede federal proceedings and influence the testimony of witnesses. A statement signed by over 1,000 former federal prosecutors concluded that if any other American engaged in the same efforts to impede federal proceedings the way Trump did, they would likely be indicted for multiple charges of obstruction of justice. Russia engaged in extensive attacks on the U.S. election system in 2016 Russian interference in the 2016 election was “sweeping and systemic.”[1] Major attack avenues included a social media “information warfare” campaign that “favored” candidate Trump[2] and the hacking of Clinton campaign-related databases and release of stolen materials through Russian-created entities and Wikileaks.[3] Russia also targeted databases in many states related to administering elections gaining access to information for millions of registered voters.[4] The investigation “identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign” and established that the Trump Campaign “showed interest in WikiLeaks's releases of documents and welcomed their potential to damage candidate Clinton” In 2015 and 2016, Michael Cohen pursued a hotel/residence project in Moscow on behalf of Trump while he was campaigning for President.[5] Then-candidate Trump personally signed a letter of intent. Senior members of the Trump campaign, including Paul Manafort, Donald Trump, Jr., and Jared Kushner took a June 9, 2016, meeting with Russian nationals at Trump Tower, New York, after outreach from an intermediary informed Trump, Jr., that the Russians had derogatory information on Clinton that was “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”[6] Beginning in June 2016, a Trump associate “forecast to senior [Trump] Campaign officials that WikiLeaks would release information damaging to candidate Clinton.”[7] A section of the Report that remains heavily redacted suggests that Roger Stone was this associate and that he had significant contacts with the campaign about Wikileaks.[8] The Report described multiple occasions where Trump associates lied to investigators about Trump associate contacts with Russia. Trump associates George Papadopoulos, Rick Gates, Michael Flynn, and Michael Cohen all admitted that they made false statements to federal investigators or to Congress about their contacts. In addition, Roger Stone faces trial this fall for obstruction of justice, five counts of making false statements, and one count of witness tampering. The Report contains no evidence that any Trump campaign official reported their contacts with Russia or WikiLeaks to U.S. law enforcement authorities during the campaign or presidential transition, despite public reports on Russian hacking starting in June 2016 and candidate Trump’s August 2016 intelligence briefing warning him that Russia was seeking to interfere in the election. The Report raised questions about why Trump associates and then-candidate Trump repeatedly asserted Trump had no connections to Russia.[9]
He absolutely is misrepresenting the report's findings. “It was not a witch hunt,” Mueller said during testimony to the House Intelligence Committee, as part of a grueling, six-hour day of questioning by lawmakers about the findings of his report. “It was not a hoax,” he said later/ And in his testimony before the Intelligence panel, Mueller said Trump’s answers were “generally” not truthful. Mueller repeatedly affirmed evidence he gathered that Trump took actions to impede his investigation, and he refuted Trump’s claim that the report showed “no obstruction” and “no collusion” “The president was not exculpated for the acts that he allegedly committed,” Mueller told the House Judiciary Committee, adding that Trump could theoretically be indicted after he leaves office. He added, “We did not address ‘collusion,’ which is not a legal term. Special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election identified 10 instances of possible obstruction of justice by President Donald Trump.
The image shared on most news media seems to be a capture coming from this video, which comes from TMZ and BBC verified. It's the one that shows the shooting but not before. https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/c3g6k02k960o That other video that I have a question with is also shared on TMZ. But it doesn't seem to have been verified, which I'm guessing is probably why other news websites have not shared it. (Though that could change) Also, TMZ has put some caveat in their wording as well. ("New video has surfaced showing what many are saying about...") https://www.tmz.com/2024/07/14/trum...ime-set-up-roof-witnesses-tried-warning-cops/
Continued from my post above... Special Counsel Mueller declined to exonerate President Trump and instead detailed multiple episodes in which he engaged in obstructive conduct The Mueller Report states that if the Special Counsel’s Office felt they could clear the president of wrongdoing, they would have said so. Instead, the Report explicitly states that it “does not exonerate” the President[10] and explains that the Office of Special Counsel “accepted” the Department of Justice policy that a sitting President cannot be indicted.[11] The Mueller report details multiple episodes in which there is evidence that the President obstructed justice. The pattern of conduct and the manner in which the President sought to impede investigations—including through one-on-one meetings with senior officials—is damning to the President. Five episodes of obstructive conduct stand out as being particularly serious: In June 2017 President Trump directed White House Counsel Don McGahn to order the firing of the Special Counsel after press reports that Mueller was investigating the President for obstruction of justice;[12] months later Trump asked McGahn to falsely refute press accounts reporting this directive and create a false paper record on this issue – all of which McGahn refused to do.[13] After National Security Advisor Michael Flynn was fired in February 2017 for lying to FBI investigators about his contacts with Russian Ambassador Kislyak, Trump cleared his office for a one-on-one meeting with then-FBI Director James Comey and asked Comey to “let [Flynn] go;” he also asked then-Deputy National Security Advisor K.T. McFarland to draft an internal memo saying Trump did not direct Flynn to call Kislyak, which McFarland did not do because she did not know whether that was true.[14] In July 2017, the President directed former campaign manager Corey Lewandowski to instruct the Attorney General to limit Mueller’s investigation, a step the Report asserted “was intended to prevent further investigative scrutiny of the President’s and his campaign’s conduct.”[15] In 2017 and 2018, the President asked the Attorney General to “un-recuse” himself from the Mueller inquiry, actions from which a “reasonable inference” could be made that “the President believed that an unrecused Attorney General would play a protective role and could shield the President from the ongoing Russia Investigation.”[16] The Report raises questions about whether the President, by and through his private attorneys, floated the possibility of pardons for the purpose of influencing the cooperation of Flynn, Manafort, and an unnamed person with law enforcement.[17] Congress needs to continue investigating and assessing elements of the Mueller Report The redactions of the Mueller Report appear to conceal the extent to which the Trump campaign had advance knowledge of the release of hacked emails by WikiLeaks. For instance, redactions conceal content of discussions that the Report states occurred between Trump, Cohen, and Manafort in July 2016 shortly after Wikileaks released hacked emails;[18] the Report further notes, “Trump told Gates that more releases of damaging information would be coming,” but redacts the contextual information around that statement.[19] A second issue the Report does not examine is the fact that the President was involved in conduct that was the subject of a case the Special Counsel referred to the Southern District of New York – which the Report notes “ultimately led to the conviction of Cohen in the Southern District of New York for campaign-finance offenses related to payments he said he made at the direction of the President.”[20] The Report also redacts in entirety its discussion of 12 of the 14 matters Mueller referred to other law enforcement authorities.[21] Further, the Report details non-cooperation with the inquiry by the President, including refusing requests by the Special Counsel for an interview; providing written responses that the Office of the Special Counsel considered “incomplete” and “imprecise” and that involved the President stating on “more than 30 occasions that he ‘does not recall’ or ‘remember’ or ‘have an independent recollection.’”[22] https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the...resources/key-findings-of-the-mueller-report/
Citing the fact obstruction of justices charges were brought during the course of the investigation does not prove the underlying crime being investigated occurred. You’re trying to confuse people and misrepresent events. The Mueller report did not find collusion occurred between the Trump campaign and Russia.
Again, engaging in obstruction does not prove the underlying crime occurred no matter how much you want it to.
Trump said these words to followers he knew were armed and urged them to go to march on the capitol. ""We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore... Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong."" Trump tried to use fake electors to delay certification so that he could maintain power and overturn the election voted on by the American voters. The election was in fact delayed and not certified on Jan. 6th. It wasn't certified until Jan. 7th. Trump has said that he won't promise a peaceful transfer of power of elected again. He also has said he can't promise to recognize the results of the next election. In addition, he won't appoint and work with people that admit that he lost the 2020 election.
Mueller repeatedly affirmed evidence he gathered that Trump took actions to impede his investigation. Mueller said Trump’s answers were “generally” not truthful. He added, “We did not address ‘collusion,’ which is not a legal term. “The president was not exculpated for the acts that he allegedly committed,”
ashli babbit died because she stupidly tried to gain access to a secure area through a broken window while an armed officer was on the other side. she was part of an angry violent mob of trump supporters who were trying to get to sitting members of congress. you want to blame anyone besides babbit herself then blame trump for brainwashing her into believing his BS lies.
You know, I'm guilty of not reading the previous page or two. Maybe you're trying to make a point I'm just not privy to. I think I'm going to step out though for my own well being, as I've yet to see a Trump supporter here admit to any wrongdoing on the man's part. Like ever.
noone is arguing it proves it. Your point was that it is baseless which it is certainly not true when the investigator investigating said person concludes he was generally lying and specifically said he is not exonerated and Mueller went as far as to call it not a witch hunt and a hoax.
Then why cite a wall of text at me talking about the obstruction? Whether obstruction occurred or not is irrelevant. Dude Mueller find collussion between Trump or his campaign and Russia or not? Was Trump or anyone in his campaign charged with crimes for colluding with Russia to subvert the 2016 election? Or was it only procedural crimes like obstruction associated with the investigation? My understanding is not.
Police officers have very specific rules related to using deadly force. They do not include attempting to get access to a secure area. The trigger for use of deadly force is when the person against whom the officer is using deadly force presents an imminent threat of death or great bodily injury to the officer or another person. Ashli Babbit crawling through a window, unarmed, with multiple law enforcement officers between her and elected officials, and with a full SWAT team 6 feet away at her back or less did not represent an imminent threat to anyone. Should she have complied with officer commands? Of course. Is failing to do so sufficient to excuse killing her? Ask Derek Chauvin.
LOL, how naive/gullible would you have to be to believe this? Government agencies investigating the intel agencies' coup attempt against President Trump? Yes -- no doubt they'll tell us the truth!
