Yeah, I agree with all that actually. The only difference is I do not think Trump has the country's best interest at heart. He's the only presidential candidate I can say that confidently of. I might not have liked guys like Romney or Bush but I never thought that they would end this country if they could. I just didn't like them because I believe trickledown economics simply don't work and have been a massive failure for this country (and others) and the sooner we move away from that the better...but I can understand why someone might be for it. With Trump, I know he would end democracy if he could. I don't think he will because I think SCOTUS, even its current iteration, will not bend on this and will understand that it will be a line that gets crossed that we can't go back from. So like I've said, I think the systems will hold. I also think the ambition from Republicans will start to kick in in 2027 (should he win this year) and they'll be trying to maneuver into his spot and of course him not giving up power. I actually think him winning is bad long term for the GOP.
Answer me this truthfully then- Why wouldn't Trump do something as president that the Supreme Court has ruled can do and have absolute immunity from prosecution?? What would stop Trump in doing that thing... the nature of the way you responded to what I said demands an answer to that then at the very least if you want to sit here and play the game of acting like its all a big joke.
2016: No sitting president would ever urge knowingly armed people to be strong and march on the capitol. While trying to put in fake electors in order to overturn the will of the people in an election in order to stay in power and not leave office. That would never happen, and it's even more ridiculous that as the mob threatened to hang the VP he wouldn't step in immediately to halt them and would instead say that perhaps the VP deserved it. Anyone saying Tha is ridiculous and should be laughed at. 2020: All of that happened. So it makes sense for people to be worried. That is especially so when that same candidate won't pledge to uphold the results of the election and a peaceful transfer of power.
I completely agree. Treating things as ridiculous and never going to happen is how those things happen.
The Trump supreme court has ruled against him plenty. Including in cases concerning the 2020 election. The idea they are going to be complicit in establishing a dictatorship for him is asinine, they had every opportunity in 2020 and didn’t. Regarding the immunity ruling, Im not sure you are understanding or representing the supreme courts holding correctly.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-congress-staffer-jacqueline-marsaw-post.html Among all the TDS here, please bite your tongue and hold your fingers on social media , it’s not worth people losing jobs …
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4771509-republicans-unite-trump-shooting/ Shooting makes Trump ‘indestructible’ in eyes of supporters BY JULIA MANCHESTER - 07/14/24 1:49 PM ET The assassination attempt against former President Trump is uniting Republicans as never before, just as the party convenes this week in Milwaukee for the Republican National Convention. In the hours following the shooting, Trump struck a grateful yet commanding tone, calling for unity. Meanwhile, his political allies have rallied around their party’s standard-bearer, widely sharing what many have described as an “iconic” image of him holding his fist in the air with blood on his face. The moment hit as Democrats have experienced two weeks of turmoil, with calls for President Biden's replacement on the ticket at a fever pitch as Trump's rally began. “Trump is indestructible,” said New Hampshire GOP Chair Chris Ager. “It doesn’t matter who the Democrats put up. They can wring their hands about President Biden all they want. Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsom, it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter who they put up.” “The Democrats are essentially a sideshow,” he added. While Republicans were considerably more unified than Democrats going into their nominating convention, there were still some questions about where the party’s more moderate flank would turn. Despite suspending her GOP primary bid earlier this year, former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley was able to garner substantial support in Republican primaries in critical swing states, sometimes reaching into the 20 percent range. “It has and will continue to be unifying to his base, including that crucial not-consider-Trump Haley voting and donor segment,” said one Republican strategist. “It is premature to fully calculate the political impact of an assassination attempt beyond that, but make no mistake, Donald Trump was already handily beating Joe Biden, and the tragic events in Pennsylvania will likely only accelerate that momentum.” Ager, who comes from a state where Haley lost by 11 points to Trump, said Never Trump voters reached out to him following the shooting asking how they could help in the effort. Republican donors are echoing this sentiment and are predicting a groundswell in fundraising following the attempt on Trump’s life. “We’re going to see absolutely wild fundraising numbers,” said Trump donor Dan Eberhart. Trump already has seen explosive fundraising numbers this year, most notably after he was convicted in his New York City hush money case. The former president’s campaign brought in a whopping $35 million following the verdict in May. “If being charged brought Republicans back to Trump, him being shot is going to bring everyone back [to] Trump,” Eberhart said. “I think this is going to be a landslide.” The picture of a bloody-faced Trump holding his fist in the air has become a rallying point for the Republican universe in less than 24 hours. The House and Senate Republican campaign arms quickly posted the picture on the social platform X following the shooting, along with other major Republican figures. “Nearly every Republican now sees Trump as the toughest S.O.B. to ever run for president,” said Republican strategist Ford O’Connell. “It's not a stretch to think that constantly calling Trump 'an existential threat to Democracy' contributed to this tragedy,” O’Connell added, jabbing at Democratic messaging over the threat they argue a second Trump term poses to democracy. Republicans say the image encapsulates what they say is Trump’s strength. “You just take it all together and say there have been so many things thrown at this man. So many things that a normal-strength person would not be able to stand up to, and he has come through all of them,” Ager said. Trump has often said that anyone who attacks him is by extension attacking his supporters, which Republicans say makes Saturday’s shooting that much more personal. “They’re acting in a sense of if it can happen to him, what’s stopping anyone from doing it to us?” said one Republican operative. Both Republicans and Democrats have come out to condemn the shooting and have called for a de-escalation in political rhetoric. “We've got to turn the rhetoric down. We've got to turn the temperature down in this country,” Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) told NBC’s "Today" on Sunday. “We need leaders of all parties, on both sides, to call that out and make sure that happens so that we can go forward and maintain our free society that we all are blessed to have.” Trump has also sought to strike a unifying tone in the hours following the shooting, calling on the nation to “stand united” in a Truth Social post on Sunday morning. “In this moment, it is more important than ever that we stand United, and show our True Character as Americans, remaining Strong and Determined, and not allowing Evil to Win,” Trump wrote, adding that he was looking forward to addressing the country from the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee this week. The Trump campaign and convention officials confirmed Saturday evening that Trump would still be traveling to the convention this week. Trump ally Corey Lewandowski, who is assisting the campaign in the convention and delegate process, called Trump’s response following the shooting “heroic.” “A man who was just shot stood up and he said ‘fight’ and was released from the hospital just hours later,” Lewandowski told The Hill. “[He] walked off the plane last night in Bedminster, N.J., and is prepared to accept his nomination and fight for America.” Lewandowski was speaking from Boston Logan International Airport en route to Milwaukee. A number of people were present at the gate in Trump shirts and MAGA apparel. Most of the chatter among them was unsurprisingly about Saturday, and the supporters appeared to be fired up. Ager told The Hill that he and other Republicans pushed Republican National Committee Chair Michael Whatley to keep with the planned schedule despite the shooting. “We were encouraging him not to change the schedule, not to do anything, and he confirmed very strongly from the top on down that the show will go on,” Ager said. “We’ll get business done, and this is not going to slow us down for a minute.” “People are already getting their throats ready for Thursday night so when Trump takes the stage, they can scream as loud as they can,” he said. Cate Martel contributed
You are going to have to define "end our Republic" for people to see where you are coming from. For example, my take from your previous posting is that as long as elections are still occurring, it's not the end of our Republic. But if we have elections like Russia, I'm sure most of us believe that is the "end of our republic", but perhaps to you it's still not.
related The Gunman and the Would-Be Dictator - The Atlantic The Gunman and the Would-Be Dictator Violence stalks the president who has rejoiced in violence to others. By David Frum When a madman hammered nearly to death the husband of then–House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Donald Trump jeered and mocked. One of Trump’s sons and other close Trump supporters avidly promoted false claims that Paul Pelosi had somehow brought the onslaught upon himself through a sexual misadventure. After authorities apprehended a right-wing-extremist plot to abduct Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, Trump belittled the threat at a rally. He disparaged Whitmer as a political enemy. His supporters chanted “Lock her up.” Trump laughed and replied, “Lock them all up.” Fascism feasts on violence. In the years since his own supporters attacked the Capitol to overturn the 2020 election—many of them threatening harm to Speaker Pelosi and Vice President Mike Pence—Trump has championed the invaders, would-be kidnappers, and would-be murderers as martyrs and hostages. He has vowed to pardon them if returned to office. His own staffers have testified to the glee with which Trump watched the mayhem on television. ... Fascist movements are secular religions. Like all religions, they offer martyrs as their proof of truth. The Mussolini movement in Italy built imposing monuments to its fallen comrades. The Trump movement now improves on that: the leader himself will be the martyr-in-chief, his own blood the basis for his bid for power and vengeance. ...
To that point, I think we are knocking out some important Jenga pieces to our Republic and Trump will knock out more. And sure he will leave in 2028 (he will die not much later anyway), but may have undermined the institutions enough that the next guy can run the ball the rest of the way to the touchdown. Besides, we are already looking like a sham democracy anyway. Held captive by 2 parties making us choose between 2 unpopular choices, and an unelected SC that just reverses itself and rationalizes their behavior with arcane lawyerisms. Most of the electorate doesn't know squat about how their government works besides who the president is, and acts accordingly. Might be Trump is just a milestone along the way.
"Gays for Trump" having a significant parade in NYC to celebrate Trump today is NOT something I thought I would see , this has been a crazy year y'all
It might be. History tells us no nation lasts forever. There is no such thing as a foolproof democracy (or any system). Every single one is at risk of failure. There is no redundancy, nor a checks and balances system so perfect that it will last indefinitely. Ultimately, the system is only as strong as the people in power who watch over and care for it. Any belief that "it will hold" is misplaced. Any certainty that failure is impossible is wishful thinking. The best we can do is ensure those in power respect democracy. That's it. If we elect those who don't, we are part of the hand that helps knock down the Jenga piece of our republic. I might not know what the "end of our republic" looks like, but I know what can start, enable, or sustain it.
I have been reliably informed here the 2024 Presidential election is a “toss up” - this information must be wrong.
Tossup is comical. He was clearly in the lead before he just hit those two grand slams, American style in the last two and a half weeks. He exposed Bidens full onset of dementia and the left rewarded him with a bullet...and missed The far left Democrat side of the party is completely unhinged to the point Trump is looking presidential. The far left would vote bidens corpse up over any republican.
