Potential extensions for Alperen Sengun and Jalen Green

All very reasonable takes.

There is a slight concern that Alpi rightfully might feel a bit upset that peers that he outperformed are already getting max contracts.

And I wouldn't blame him if he is frustrated with that. But like IKo said, Sengun won't make it a team locker room issue at least.

 

Mobley and the guy on the Magic have played in playoff games. Sucks we are in the west. Detriot is so desperate.

 

I'm glad Mobley got drafted into a better situation.

Wagner hasn't outplayed Alpi. The only reason Wagner has playoff experience and Sengun doesn't is Sengun plays in the Western conference. The Rockets broke a NBA record for winning record for a 11th seed. The West is ridiculous.

 

The culture the Rockets had really stunted Jalen Greens growth as a player. The team were allowed to do things under Silas that would get them run out of league any where else. It bit Jalen in the ass last year having to adjust to real coaching and being held accountable. If these values aren’t inherent then it’s an adjustment. It’s biting Jalen in the ass now because it’s time to get paid and the team is afraid to do it & I don’t blame them. But he’s got to prove that he can play defense consistently, raise his shooting percentage and play within the confines of a competent game plan (ie.. Take better shots). You know the crap he should have been working on from day 1. Both he and the organization has take responsibility for that not being the case. I hope he takes a big leap and gets (earns) the bag, that will be good for Houston.

Sengun has proven to be legit in my book. He’s been a pro for a longer time than someone his age normally would be and that’s helped him. I wished he was more of a rim protector and a better 3pt shooter but I love his offensive potential and his basketball IQ. He’s not a perfect prospect but he’s very valuable. It just comes down to what is the organization’s vision for its style of play. But Alpi will get a bag from some team for sure.

 

He will get paid. And down the line, he will be happier if he is paid and we use the flexibility to make the team better.

 

Alperen Sengun explains his thoughts around his upcoming extension (with English subtitles)

 

The responsibility for getting better is on the player, it is their career, they need to take advantage of what is around them, blaming the org is tough, because these guys are pros they aren't kids anymore.....and if they fail - it is more about what they didn't do......when they had the chance.

DD

 

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This is what we call gossip in NBA media. There is no new reporting here. Guy is using other rumor mill articles of the past half year and making assumptions on it.

Might as well be a random poster's comment on the BBS. Same level of insider knowledge.

 

This. I think that the organization is largely settled in amongst the majority of the board. Seeing how the first 3 1/2 months of the season go. Not only as far as how he plays but which other players become available?

 

So no blame on coaching?

 

There are probably some (few) situations where coaching can significantly impact a players development but i would say it’s pretty rare. Silas wasn’t great but he was just your run of the mill mediocre coach, and the team didn’t underperform the talent really. I would say it’s maybe 95/5 ratio of player vs coaching but even that seems high

 

No, the coach's job is to win ball games, the players job is to work on their weaknesses, this is a contract - the NBA is not a developmental situation.

It is 100% on the players.....the org can help some, but this is on the players.

DD

 

I'd say that the Silas situation was somewhat special. It seemed that they were intentionally creating a losing environment for the sake of tanking. And unlike most tanking endeavors where they simply played inferior players, it also looked like the coaching staff did not try to install some kind of system or accountability to guide the young players. In Sengun's case, there may even be intentional holding back. Not to mention the disastrous KPJ experiment that further poisoned the team and solidify some bad habits that would take time to unlearn.

I agree that talented players will emerge eventually regardless of coaching. But the chaotic culture did slow down the development. Jalen should have been taught how to play defense and how to make right reads from day one rather than waited till his 3rd season. Sengun should have been encouraged to use his offensive skills to score and to create rather than suppressed.

 

Ya maybe it can have a tiny impact in some situations, no argument. Look at wemby though, the spurs did everything possible to put him in the worst possible situation and lose as much as possible. They didn’t play a point guard, they started a non shooting lousy center next to him, and yet he was a top 20 player by the end of the season.

i also don’t agree about silas though, he was bad but it’s not like he was adrian griffin or something. We won as many or more games that could be reasonably expected.

 

You don't see the alternative reality where the same player will develop in a different way. Sengun and Wemby have both pro experience and euro training. Green needed a proper coach much more than Sengun. And still Sengun could have developed better and faster if he had proper coaching & guard play. Green being held accountable from day one could have helped him a lot, let alone the opportunities to develop better technically.

Good players shine anyway but it doesn't mean that they would have done better with better coaching.

 

yup, you never know. My point is how good a player becomes is almost all up to the player, the coach can have a small impact in some situations, positive or negative, but outside of playing time it's minimal