There almost wasn't. Did you forget that little factoid? And the Trump regime's stated goal this time around is to basically make sure that there won't be a free and fair election in 2024+. As such, I don't blame Democrats for looking at this as existential given that the Trumpists have made it central to their mission.
This goes beyond the establishment. Biden (2020) has a coalition that includes former Republicans, however small, that are important. That coalition is melting away. Again, Biden might still be the best path forward, but it needs to come to a strategic solution/decision, not one based on one man's (Biden's) insistence.
We heard this end of Democracy rhetoric in the 2016 election cycle too. Yet, here we still are, living under a Biden administration. We saw the Trump administration host mid-term elections in 2018. We saw the Trump administration host a presidential election in 2020. Sure, people with TDS believe our Democracy is going to end if Trump is elected but the history is the Trump administration has hosted free and fair elections in the past and there's no real basis to believe that will change in the second administration.
I drank some soapy bath water and only got a tummy ache, time to LET ER RIP! I'm not sure you and I inhabit the same reality.
Well we aren't going to have a productive discussion if that is how you choose to interact with people. I guess we will see what happens in 2026 and 2028 if Trump is elected.
The one thing I have taken from the last two months is. Democrats who were for Biden will back him or anyone who is running against Trump. the Republicans, who were for Trump, will always be for Trump. those voters believe he was railroaded in the felony convictions. This only galvanizes base more. I don't think the populous is necessarily voting for a specific candidate at this point but are voting for the "Party's " ideology I could be wrong.
Yes and no. Turnout for Biden will be down this year. All the same, "anyone running against Trump" is merely a symptom of circumstance. It's a binary choice. The fact the left is willing to call a spade and a spade here (even if the leadership is out of touch, stubborn, etc) should give everyone food for thought, because the favor would not be returned if Trump went off the deep end.
if the polls are to believed, I think what we're learning is that there are more undecided/swing voters out there than previously expected
another thought leader bites the dust https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/10/opinion/joe-biden-democratic-nominee.html excerpt: George Clooney: I Love Joe Biden. But We Need a New Nominee. July 10, 2024, 10:46 a.m. ET By George Clooney Mr. Clooney is an actor, director and film producer. I’m a lifelong Democrat; I make no apologies for that. I’m proud of what my party represents and what it stands for. As part of my participation in the democratic process and in support of my chosen candidate, I have led some of the biggest fund-raisers in my party’s history. Barack Obama in 2012. Hillary Clinton in 2016. Joe Biden in 2020. Last month I co-hosted the single largest fund-raisersupporting any Democratic candidate ever, for President Biden’s re-election. I say all of this only to express how much I believe in this process and how profound I think this moment is. I love Joe Biden. As a senator. As a vice president and as president. I consider him a friend, and I believe in him. Believe in his character. Believe in his morals. In the last four years, he’s won many of the battles he’s faced. But the one battle he cannot win is the fight against time. None of us can. It’s devastating to say it, but the Joe Biden I was with three weeks ago at the fund-raiser was not the Joe “big F-ing deal” Biden of 2010. He wasn’t even the Joe Biden of 2020. He was the same man we all witnessed at the debate. Was he tired? Yes. A cold? Maybe. But our party leaders need to stop telling us that 51 million people didn’t see what we just saw. We’re all so terrified by the prospect of a second Trump term that we’ve opted to ignore every warning sign. The George Stephanopoulos interview only reinforced what we saw the week before. As Democrats, we collectively hold our breath or turn down the volume whenever we see the president, who we respect, walk off Air Force One or walk back to a mic to answer an unscripted question. Is it fair to point these things out? It has to be. This is about age. Nothing more. But also nothing that can be reversed. We are not going to win in November with this president. On top of that, we won’t win the House, and we’re going to lose the Senate. This isn’t only my opinion; this is the opinion of every senator and congress member and governor that I’ve spoken with in private. Every single one, irrespective of what he or she is saying publicly. We love to talk about how the Republican Party has ceded all power, and all of the traits that made it so formidable with Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, to a single person who seeks to hold on to the presidency, and yet most of our members of Congress are opting to wait and see if the dam breaks. But the dam has broken. We can put our heads in the sand and pray for a miracle in November, or we can speak the truth. It is disingenuous, at best, to argue that Democrats have already spoken with their vote and therefore the nomination is settled and done, when we just received new and upsetting information. We all think Republicans should abandon their nominee now that he’s been convicted of 34 felonies. That’s new and upsetting information as well. Top Democrats — Chuck Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries, Nancy Pelosi — and senators, representatives and other candidates who face losing in November need to ask this president to voluntarily step aside. All of the scary stories that we’re being told about what would happen next are simply not true. In all likelihood, the money in the Biden-Harris coffers could go to help elect the presidential ticket and other Democrats. The new nominee wouldn’t be left off ballots in Ohio. We Democrats have a very exciting bench. We don’t anoint leaders or fall sway to a cult of personality; we vote for a president. We can easily foresee a group of several strong Democrats stepping forward to stand and tell us why they’re best qualified to lead this country and take on some of the deeply concerning trends we’re seeing from the revenge tour that Donald Trump calls a presidential campaign. Let’s hear from Wes Moore and Kamala Harris and Gretchen Whitmer and Gavin Newsom and Andy Beshear and J.B. Pritzker and others. Let’s agree that the candidates not attack one another but, in the short time we have, focus on what will make this country soar. Then we could go into the Democratic convention next month and figure it out. Would it be messy? Yes. Democracy is messy. But would it enliven our party and wake up voters who, long before the June debate, had already checked out? It sure would. The short ramp to Election Day would be a benefit for us, not a danger. It would give us the chance to showcase the future without so much opposition research and negative campaigning that comes with these ridiculously long and expensive election seasons. This can be an exciting time for democracy, as we’ve just seen with the 200 or so French candidates who stepped aside and put their personal ambitions on hold to save their democracy from the far right. Joe Biden is a hero; he saved democracy in 2020. We need him to do it again in 2024. George Clooney is an actor, director and film producer.
Well dude I can't interpret your words any other way. It's a shocking, if not ridiculously lax attitude. Did you forget that the President set a violent mob that ransacked the capitol? With varying aims up to and including murder to overturn the election? Are we living under the shared delusion that this was just a rally that 'got out of hand'? A one-off that they pinky promise won't happen again? The left can be histrionic, but that event and the litany of overtly anti-democratic statements and actions by Republicans since are not a joke or anything to be taken lightly. This is not a 'both sides' problem. Only the red team has an expressed intent to ensure only their team can and should win going forward. That difference matters.
It's more like we are learning that most people voted against Trump, rather than for Biden. Not exactly shocking given that Biden was basically the "split the baby or else I give it to Bernie" nominee.
You don't have to respond with condescension and insults. I don't behave that way towards you. If I engage civilly, I expect civil interaction in turn. It's not an outrageous position to maintain one thinks if Trump wins we will have a midterm election in 2026 [like in 2018 where Democrats won] and a presidential election in 2028 [like in 2020 where Democrats won] like we did during the first Trump administration. The hand wringing about Trump and the end of Democracy was there in the 2016 election cycle. The whole "he will never leave office" was there in 2016 as well yet here we are living under a Biden administration in 2024.
starting to look like Democratic Party elites have all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation
It has always astounded me how much credence people put into the words of such modern-day philosophers like The Baldwins, Mr. Clooney, Tay Tay and Bruce the "Boss"
