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If Biden bows out, what is the Dem ticket?

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  1. basso

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    Kamala Harris has been great in her appearances on the abortion issue.

    The main problem with her is that people believe the false and sexist message that she only accomplished things by sleeping her way into the position.

    But false issues have sunk Democratic nominees before. John Kerry and the swift boat false narrative was an example as the falsehood about Al Gore and the internet.

    Also she doesn't do interviews and when she does, she provides her opponents with stylistic rather than substantive ammo to use against her.

    She isn't owed anything, but it is kind of a crap look that she's been the VP and even filling in for Biden in a current meeting and then if it's time for a new candidate, the Democrats were happy with a person of color as the VP but want to run from her as the candidate.

    I don't think she has the best chance as the potential nominees but there are pluses and minuses either way for her. I beleive she's been more than competent in addressing and speaking at events on abortion and any other VP tasks. She's been a failure on the public image front. Sadly, the public image front in a presidential campaign is often more important.
     
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    The issue is the VP role as it is now is just...they aren't picked on merit or popularity, only picked to cover for your candidates weakness.

    It's why Biden's was Obama's pick, Obama ran to the left and the attack on him was he was too young, no experience, so he picked the experienced Biden.

    It's why Trump picked Pence, to lock in evangelicals and religious voters.

    And Biden picked Kamala in hopes to appeal to minority and black voters.

    Trump I guess we will see but the guesses are he'll go with Tim Scott or some woman, likely the latter I bet, to cover for his weakness on women's issues.

    VP used to be a role of importance, was even elected, but now it really is just an honorary role and a backup president. I feel like the only reason anyone wants it is just for the name recognition for when they eventually run for president.

    The thing I worry with about Kamala is her appeal to rust belt voters, the voters Dems have to win, she has a very Hilary Clinton vibe to her. She's great at attacking, I think she'd demolish Trump in any exchanges, but I just don't think she appeals to people and Biden's successes (and there are many) aren't portrayed strong enough for her to ride a wave of his success.

    For me, personally, Whitmer is the choice.

    I know people will say she's not as strong a voice but she's going to win over that region and she's going to win over suburban women, the name recognition is not there, but get her out there for rallies and people will come to love her. Also, she has a very motherly kind vibe to her (where Kamala and Clinton came off as...b****y) Trump's attacks against Whitmer will just come off as mean and insulting and unnecessary. She's one of those politicians that doesn't have to get down and dirty with him and I think she can sell the 'hope' that Obama tapped into which will be a great contrast to Trump's GOP "America sucks!" message.

    She will also be able to highlight the GOPs attacks on women's rights better than anyone else and remind people that this election is also about rights.
     
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    Whitmer would probably be my first choice as well.
     
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    the abortion plank will not be in the GOP platform this year, first time since the 1980s. And Trump is not in favor of a national ban on abortion.
     
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    Yeah, I don't think anyone believes that. After Roe I think the GOP lost all trust on that issue and with the recent stuff on IVF and Contraception (which they could have protected, didn't) no one is going to believe they are better on the issue other than people already wanting to vote red any way.

    Time will tell but from what I see women do not trust the GOP to protect their reproductive health concerns.

    With how freely Trump lies, and then even during that whole part he even says "But we have to win elections", it's not hard to sell him as for being for an abortion ban. After all, he's the reason Roe is overturned which is the key issue in the first place. Pro-life people are not happy with that, so you can't sell them the new status-quo when they never wanted it in the first place.
     
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    Yeah the GOP ran on it for decades. Now that they see that the issue is not only a closer for them but also drives out and inspires people to show up to polls for Democrats,they are trying to run away and hide from the issue. But the Republicans in office are still pushing abortion measures even as they try and hide from it.
     
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    I think you over estimate the concern of Roe V Wade. Abortion views are very different these days. The best rights are the ones given by society, not by force. I am not saying there is not a loud cry, but its eventually going to taper off to a whimper. Lets be honest, nobody cares about the poverty rates in mississippi and alabama and WV, so why should they care about the reproductive rights if you can't care about the people in general. The left will be pounding on deaf doors because the ones it truly hurts are supporting conservatives. More dumb people will just keep making babies. As it always was.

    The question is: What replaces this void? Its a big void.
     
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    It hasn't tapered off, yet. People were saying on 2022 that it wasn't such a big deal, but it turned out to be a difference maker.
     
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    Yeah, we are just tired of saying anything women won't vote Red, men with integrity won't vote for a rapist and crook, Trump's crowds are shrinking.

    I think whether the Dems change candidates or not......they are still the front runners.....Polls don't work when people don't have land lines or participate in them.

    They are filled with Bots and people enthusiastic to sku results.

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    believes what, that the abortion plank is not part of the platform? or that Trump doesn't support a national ban?
     
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    at a state level.
     
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    you're not understanding. Trump is not going to engaged the abortion topic any further. Why would he? Pro-lifers are indebted to him. He doesn't need to piss off the white woman any further when he can talk about immigration taking jobs and all the illegals raping da white people. Because the one thing a white woman dislikes the most is feeling unsafe.
     
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    If it's left up to him. If the Democrats keep addressing the issue and brining it to the forefront, he won't have a choice. They can play clips from when Trump did have plenty to say about supporting it.
     

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