Could you define "superstar numbers?" Sure, Green has put together by far the most 30 point games (37). However, they aren't many players who consistently put up 20/10, and Sengun has done that 32 times. Which is more impressive?
Alpi - AllStar with upside Jalen - AllStar potential, but not a + player Bari - Potential to be #3 on championship team - shooting upside, switchable defensive upside, still growing into his body, legit 6’11”, can’t create Tari - winning player, rare motor, 2-way upside, underrated upside Amen - AllStar potential, can play 5 positions, DPOY candidate, can’t shoot Cam - AllStar potential, one of the best per 36 min rookies in NBA history, 2-way potential, high shooting ceiling, youngest player on the team Reed - best shooter to come out of college since Glen Rice, high IQ, can play both guard positions.
Raw scoring is NEVER impressive without efficiency. If you have one player chucking their way to 30+ points while being one of the most pathetic shooters in the NBA with a 54% TS% and another putting up an efficient 20/10....the 20/10 is the only one that is even a net positive for the team. Another scenario is when you have one guy who will put up an efficient 30+ points a 10 or 12 times per year while being terrible the rest of the season and a guy who puts up an efficient 20/10 all season long, you end up with the same thing, the 20/10 is the only one that is even a net positive for the team. Flukes are nice when they happen, but they don't overcome 70 games of awful.
Hallelujah! GTFO with all this bring in Mitchell/PG/KAT/Harden/Klay/etc nonsense. It's like some of want to be bounced in the 2nd round for a couple of years then have to start all over again. So glad to see the FO is sticking to the plan.
Ime loved Smart but all the Celtics fans and even Simmons says the biggest improvement that lead to them finally climbing that mountain is upgrading from Marcus Smart. they tried with Brogdon but he couldn’t stay healthy.
I basically agree, but I think it would be foolish not to make a consolidation/balancing the roster type move at some point. At the right point for the right guy(s).
Don't trust the words of the FO, trust their actions. All of their words leading up to the draft said they would take Clingan, all of their actions said Sheppard and we saw who they picked. What do the actions of stockpiling all of those Suns picks and players with no real role on the team with salary matching type contracts say the Rockets want to do? Are they really looking to draft a bunch more players in the first round.... or maybe do they have something else in mind?
Lol what? 20/10 isn't superstar, it's just quality big man numbers, are you serious? That's expected from a starting/featuring caliber big man, it's not superstar anything. Jalen's not only had more superstar big game performances than everybody else, he's had more in each individual season of his career than all of our other rookies have had combined in all of the seasons of their career. So yeah, that's WAY more impressive than Alpi having 32 games at "expected starter level" tbh. Jalen's had: 7 games at 40 or more points (6 of those he shot over 50% from the field and 40% from 3, the other he shot 36% from 3) 30 games at 30-39 points (20 of those he shot over 50% from the field and 40% from 3) 68 games in his career so far he's scored over 25 points, that's 30% of all the games he's played in the NBA where he's scored well over average. He's never put up a nothingburger. For reference, Sengun's scored LESS than 20 points in 159 out of 210 games in his NBA career = 75% approx. He's scored more than 20 points in 25% of his games in the NBA. So yeah, it's a LOT LESS IMPRESSIVE being an average center compared to a future (and already far more proven) scoring star. Just so you know. Oh yeah and Jalen has no 0 pt games, Sengun has 3. Clearly a lesser talent if we're talking "star potential" as he's almost never shown it compared to Jalen showing it every single year of his career so far.
20/10 is "quality big man" numbers? Five players averaged over 20/10 last season: Giannis, AD, Embiid, Jokic, and Wemby. Besides, I think Sengun is way closer to putting up a line like 25/10/5 (star bigman numbers) than Green is to averaging star SG numbers (27-28+ PPG on at least .57 TS%).
Ime and Raffa a match made in heaven. Finally something I missed for years...Murray never believed in organic growth...
You do know it's the front office who are leaking these reports, right? It's not the fans clamoring these guys, the Rockets want to trade for a star. They simply failed at doing so.
I wouldn't say its that we failed, more like the type of player we wanted wasn't available at the right price point.
Averaged, Sengun didn't average that, he made that 32 times. Sengun's never put up the superstar numbers, Green has. Look up which of these situations happens more frequently: Big man scores 20pts and has 10 rebounds in a game. Shooting guard scores over 30 points with 50%from the field and 40% from 3 Shooting guard scores over 40 points with 50% from the field and 40% from 3. Now after seeing the MASSIVE difference in how frequently these things occur, tell me which of those is more "superstar" and which is more "every day." Jalen's done the second 2 a total of 26 times Alpi's done the first one 32 times, just to be aware. I personally think you're all insane for trying to maintain Alpi's some massive star when the guy who's actually shown that potential is apparently clearly not. Seems to me if Jalen aint a star then we're seriously ****ed, nobody else has shown it so far.
I mean, Sengun averaged 21/9/5 last season. You're splitting hairs by saying he didn't "average" 20/10. Besides, there is more to being a superstar than just showing flashes. Stars are consistent, and Sengun, by far, is the closest player we have to putting up averages that would place him within the star echelon. Below are the seven players who averaged 20/9/5 or better last season.
you extend him at the max next offseason and you feel good about it. Alpi is the surest bet on this team.
Sure there's more to being a superstar than showing flashes, but you have to ACTUALLY put up those numbers at least sometime for it to be considered one of your traits. You're literally saying "being able to put up superstar numbers doesn't count compared to a guy who never has but consistently puts in solid lower-tier numbers" you realise that right? Sengun is 100% the most consistent all-star caliber talent we have. He also has less superstar potential than Jalen Green and has shown less superstar performance than Jalen Green so far. Both of these things are true, your bias prevents you from seeing that though. For those of us who support both, it's a great place to be in.
Sengun has been a consistent borderline star level player for 2/3rds of a season with the other third being injured. Green played like a below average starter for 2/3rds of the season and a literal MVP level player for about a month. I think Green has shown the highest peak of a any player since prime MVP level Harden but Sengun has shown the most consistency as the best player of the team for an entire year. I think that is more of a fair evaluation. Green being consistent is probably the highest ceiling player on the team.
Ding ding ding, it doesn't surprise me that one of the few people who hasn't bought into the Sengun echo chamber is also the person who gets it. Sengun is our most consistent player and looks to be a solid all-star caliber. Green is not consistent but is by far the only player on the team who has EVER shown a peak level of "one of the best players in the league" and has shown those flashes in every single season of his career (Sengun spent 2 seasons struggling to break 15 points in a game, let's not forget.) People project these lofty heights on Amen and Alpi, Green's ACTUALLY HIT THEM. Until somebody else actually does it even once or twice, their ceiling is not the same tier as Jalen, not close.
