There is probably nothing there. In those interviews at the White House, he's in his natural and comfortable form, which he does well when he's being himself. As for the release, I wouldn't release it either. It's purely for politics, and the House GOP would release cuts to suit their narrative.
FiveThirtyEight conducted a poll to capture likely voters' opinions of the debate. Share of likely voters considering voting for each candidate after the debate compared with before: Biden: 48.2 -> 46.7 (lost 1.5%) Trump: 43.5 -> 43.9 (gained 0.4%) Given the media attention (and potential for groupthink), the numbers probably understate the situation a bit, but voters are unpredictable, so we'll see. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-trump-june-debate-poll/
no, actually I think there is something there, there. The audio will sound exactly like he did at the debate, with all the pauses, hesitations, lapses, wrong turns, misspeaking, etc. I think it would be tremendously embarrassing to the President. And, importantly, this is something Hur specifically referred to in his explanation of why they decide not to charge Biden in the classified documents case: Comments on Biden's memory As part of the decision not to pursue charges, Hur noted "we have also considered that, at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory".[81] The special counsel's report noted two particular incidents where Biden's memory was described as "significantly limited", during a recorded conversation with a ghostwriter in 2017 and an interview with investigators in 2023, describing Biden's memory as being "worse" in the latter interview.[95][96] The report noted that Biden struggled to recall defining personal milestones in his life, such as the death of his son and when he took office as Vice President.[97] The transcript of Biden's interview with the special counsel confirmed Biden demonstrating repeated lapses, regarding details of how classified information was handled, years of significant events in his life, and several other missteps unreported in the special counsel report. It also showed Biden being clearheaded for most of the interview and capable of providing detailed descriptions of other prior events.[98][21] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_classified_documents_incident#Comments_on_Biden's_memory
I just dug a little bit into the election laws which vary state by state. You Dems are freaking toast, you guys have to ride that lame donkey Joementia to his last mile. There is no switching candidates now, you have to literally change the election law of that state if you want your ass to be on the ballot, and I know you guys are the party of “nobody is above the law” so you wouldn’t try to change the law. In California, your name will sill be on the ballot 7 days after you died. Basically you guys are fuccked.
In a race this close, I don’t think this is overreaction or group think. Biden supporters and Never Trumpers will pull the lever for Biden no matter what. The question is how this impacts Biden turnout, independents, moderates and undecideds. In a race this close, with Biden already having low approvals, the debate was hugely problematic. Four years ago, Biden barely beat Trump on the heels of four years of Trump insanity and Covid. How many independents and undecideds can Biden afford to lose? Not many and the debate alone might have been too many already.
The context was in regard to removing Biden. A candidate who has died is different. Now I understand there isn't much difference between that and what we have now.
I have seen nothing to suggest that there is a legal problem with Biden withdrawing, no laws prohibit it. If there is some writing on the subject I haven’t seen, I would appreciate if you could share, as this is an important issue. There are a host of practical, logistical and political problems, and they seem almost certainly to make Biden withdrawing incredibly unlikely. I have no doubt that MAGA world is already framing the issue as illegal, immoral, scandalous, an intentional scheme to defraud voters, etc. Democrat leadership, starting with Biden, created this problem and I have no problem with it being framed as immoral, scandalous, politically problematic, or defrauding voters. I do have an issue with calling it illegal if there is no laws that prevent it. (That is not to say that MAGA won’t file frivolous lawsuits trying to block it, just as Trump filed dozens of nonsense lawsuits challenging the 2020 election — all of which failed miserably and led to record setting civil liability settlement by Fox News to Dominion for the complete lies about the voting machines, the unceremonious firing of Tucker lead liar Carlson, and ongoing civil liability to Powell, Guiliani, and hosts of others, and disbarment of tons of lawyers in MAGA world.) edit: I now see a reference to Wisconsin being problematic (can only withdraw if candidate dies). Have not looked at the law, only seen a reference to it in an article.
I understand where you and others are coming from. I put myself in your shoes, and that's why I said I get it (I emphasize the dangerous opponent). It has always been essentially a coin flip (even 40/60 is essentially a coin flip), not just in this race but in past presidential races. In normal times, this would be seen as a bad debate performance, but not one that would call for a replacement. The potential groupthink here, IMO, arises for two reasons: The narrative that Biden is old and dead has been ongoing for a year, and his debate performance not only didn't dispute that narrative, it reinforces it. Groupthink (that he can't do the job) involves using one or a limited set of data and ignoring all other data. If he was suddenly "better" after the debate, that would be ignored and suppressed. Recognizing potential groupthink and considering that he might not be electable anymore is not groupthink. It would be blind to ignore that possibility. (why I posted 538 polling data, but as I said, that might be understating it - meaning, he might slip more). The idea that there is easily a better choice is completely unproven and goes against historical data (albeit limited) and real logistical issues. This idea would be groupthink. But the notion that you have to take that chance because Biden is not electable anymore is not groupthink. I would add one thing: it's good that Biden is being criticized and there are calls for a replacement FROM HIS PARTY. That's healthy and not cultish behavior. Our friends on the other side might want to recognize that and understand why cultish behavior is dangerous to themselves. ps. if poll shows he drop 5 points, he need to consider stepping down; if it's 10 points, he needs to step down.
Is a candidate officially the nominee to be on the ballot before the actual convention? They are not officially the nominee until that convention and the vote is held. At this point, they’ve won enough delegates to win the nomination but there is still an official process to go through.
Kamala Harris is the VP and is next in line (she is the one on the right with her tiddies hanging out in the picture below). So to get to Newsome or Whitmer (both horrible candidates with truly awful track records), you'll need both Sleepy Joe AND Kamala the Unelectable to graciously step aside.
My understanding is that Biden has to step down. Without him stepping down, he has already won enough delegates to be the nominee. The DNC could revolt and change the rules if Biden refuses to step down and they want to go in a different direction. Most states wait until after the conventions to 'print' their ballots, but there is at least one state that does so before the DNC convention. So, the timeline might have to be sped up.
Hillary would be seen as someone that should have won last time, and has proven to be 100% right about Trump, don't understestimate that MOST of America will not elect a rapist, a conman, a convicted felon, they want ANYONE else. I will vote anyone but Trump and most everyone I know is the same....even all my Republican friends. You may call me a clown, but it is just your reflection you are addressing. DD
That’s my point though. Some of our new apparent election law experts seem to think the Dems are “freaking toast” and “fuccked”. Truth is, things are still possible. Obviously, if something were to happen, the faster the better. But it’s not going to happen short of a medical emergency between now and the convention.
Hillary got her ass handed to her. It wasn't close. People dont want Biden. People dont want Harris. People don't want Hillary. People didn't want Trump up until a few months ago when it became evident Biden is just months away to becoming a bunk mate with Jimmy Carter. Biden should have stated early on that he wasn't running to allow the field to fill up. The candidates being listed to replace Biden have been the vultures circling around him his entire presidency waiting for their opportunity.
Hey ill informed man, Hillary won the popular vote by more than 3,000,000 - that is not getting her ass handed to her. Get the hell out of the cult, man - you are embarrassing yourself. Biden should be replaced, and so should Trump - he is unelectable, and is a crook - **** OFF TO ANYONE even considering voting for a conman who wouldn't walk across the street to piss on you if you were on fire. DD
