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Project 2025: What is it really?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocket River, Apr 17, 2024.

  1. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

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    https://www.project2025.org/

    "It is not enough for conservatives to win elections. If we are going to rescue the country from the grip of the radical Left, we need both a governing agenda and the right people in place, ready to carry this agenda out on Day One of the next conservative Administration.

    This is the goal of the 2025 Presidential Transition Project. The project will build on four pillars that will, collectively, pave the way for an effective conservative Administration."

    Sounds very anti-democratic



    https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

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    Project 2025 (officially the Presidential Transition Project) is a collection of policy proposals to reshape the executive branch of the U.S. federal government at an unprecedented scale in the event of a Republican victory in the 2024 U.S. presidential election.[2][3] Established in 2022, the project seeks to recruit tens of thousands of conservatives to Washington, D.C. in order to replace existing federal civil service workers whom Republicans characterize as part of the "deep state", to further the objectives of the next Republican president.[4] Although the project cannot promote a specific presidential candidate, many contributors have close ties to Donald Trump and the Trump 2024 presidential campaign.[5] The plan would perform a swift restructuring of the executive branch under a maximalist version of the unitary executive theory — a false legal theory proposing the president of the United States has absolute power over the executive branch — upon inauguration.[3][6]

    The development of the plan is led by the The Heritage Foundation, an American conservative think tank, in collaboration with over 100 partners including Turning Point USA, led by Charlie Kirk; the Conservative Partnership Institute including former Trump Chief of Staff Mark Meadows as senior partner; the Center for Renewing America, led by former Trump-appointee Office of Management and Budget Director Russell Vought; and America First Legal, led by former Trump Senior Advisor Stephen Miller.[7][8]"


    Rocket River
    Please provide you ideas and Clarification
    This has been a Scary Boogieman that is circulating these days
     
  2. dobro1229

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    Pretty simple:

    It's the hard right installing a "Deep State".

    The hard right billionaires that are part of the Federalist Society, that buy off the Supreme Court, etc. want full power from the inside, and realize that the career bipartisan civil servants stand in their way in regards to the day to day functions of government.

    They will ALWAYS accuse the other side of what they are doing, or want to do. Project 2025 is a plan to create a hard right deep state. Plain and simple. This is a battle for Democracy from the bottom. Hit it from the top, and the bottom, and hope it'll crack in the middle.

    No way we remain a Democracy or at least the same type of Democracy if Trump wins in 2024.
     
  3. DonnyMost

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    Sounds more like Operation Swap Deck Chairs on the Titanic
     
  4. Amiga

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    It's basically an executive that is gutted for all civil servants, replaced with partisans. "Operation Swap Deck Chairs" (from one admin to the next) is what you should expect. A sinking ship is probably the right analogy.
     
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  5. No Worries

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    SCW circle jerk.
     
  6. dmoneybangbang

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    Separation of church and state is very important.

    Christian Taliban should go back to the Middle East.
     
  7. JuanValdez

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    I think this is a staple of all revolutionary governments. Sweep out the competent but politically-misaligned bureaucrats of the old government and install political cadres loyal to the new government. I remember way way back when I was a college student learning about the Russian Revolution and was mystified how this worked that the Bolsheviks could find someone to assign to every damn little government office to make sure the whole government embraced communism. That's the funny thing about Trump is that he has helped me to understand much of what I used to find confusing about revolutions, coups, dictatorships and all the other bad things that happened in the 20th century.

    But this all very sensible for maga to do. When he won last time, Trump was completely unprepared and it showed. Now that the prospect of him winning looks more credible, it only makes sense to properly get ready.
     
  8. Andre0087

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    That's a major concern not to mention the fact that every government position doesn't need to be partisan. I'm not in a revolutionary mood these days where we're getting screwed harder than we already were.
     
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    Sounds like both parties want to cut off Trump's balls if he's president in 2025.
     
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  11. Rocket River

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    Whole lotta nothin'
     
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    AP: Conservative-backed group is creating a list of federal workers it suspects could resist Trump plans


    By LISA MASCARO

    Updated 9:36 AM CDT, June 24, 2024



    WASHINGTON (AP) — From his home office in small-town Kentucky, a seasoned political operative is quietly investigating scores of federal employees suspected of being hostile to the policies of Republican Donald Trump, a highly unusual and potentially chilling effort that dovetails with broader conservative preparations for a new White House.

    Tom Jones and his American Accountability Foundation are digging into the backgrounds, social media posts and commentary of key high-ranking government employees, starting with the Department of Homeland Security. They’re relying in part on tips from his network of conservative contacts, including workers. In a move that alarms some, they’re preparing to publish the findings online.

    With a $100,000 grant from the Heritage Foundation, the goal is to post 100 names of government workers to a website this summer to show a potential new administration who might be standing in the way of a second-term Trump agenda — and ripe for scrutiny, reclassifications, reassignments or firings.

    “We need to understand who these people are and what they do,” said Jones, a former Capitol Hill aide to Republican senators.

    The concept of compiling and publicizing a list of government employees shows the lengths Trump’s allies are willing to go to ensure nothing or no one will block his plans in a potential second term. Jones’ Project Sovereignty 2025 comes as Heritage’s Project 2025 lays the groundwork, with policies, proposals and personnel ready for a possible new White House.

    The effort, focused on top career government officials who aren’t appointees within the political structure, has stunned democracy experts and shocked the civil service community in what they compare with the red scare of McCarthyism.

    Jacqueline Simon, policy director at the American Federation of Government Employees, said the language being used — the Heritage Foundation’s announcement praised the group for ferreting out “anti-American bad actors” — is “shocking.”

    Civil servants are often ex-military personnel and are required to take an oath to the Constitution to work for the federal government, not a loyalty test to a president, she and others said.

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    Heritage’s Project 2025 proposes reviving the Trump Schedule F policy that would try to reclassify tens of thousands of federal workers as political appointees, which could enable mass dismissals — although a Biden administration rule seeks to make that more difficult. The Heritage project is working to recruit and train a new generation to travel to Washington to fill government jobs.

    ...

    Biden had repealed Trump’s Schedule F executive order in January 2021, but a Government Accountability Office report in 2022 found that agencies believed it could be reinstated by a future administration.

    Since then, the Biden administration issued a rule that would make it harder to fire workers. A new administration could direct the Office of Personnel Management to undo the regulation, but the process would take time and be open to legal challenges



     
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  14. El_Conquistador

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    In high school government/civics class, which most of you would fail, they teach the 3 branches of government: Legislative, Executive, Judicial. In reality, there is a 4th branch, which is the Administrative State. This 4th branch is comprised of life long bureaucrats who staff and run government agencies. These bureaucrats do not change as election cycles come and go -- they are entrenched. And they are predominantly in the DC area -- which means statistically they are have a 90% chance of being liberal. This group actively opposed and thwarted President Trump's agenda during his first term in office. And no doubt they have every intention of repeating it. This group is not elected and not accountable -- the exact opposite of democracy.

    President Trump will restore our democratic principles by gutting the Administrative State. This helps restore power to the people and take it away from unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats. I would start by moving agencies out of the DC area and into places like the midwest, southwest, and southeast. We have to start uprooting the corrupt, entrenched, unaccountable DC swamp rats.
     
  15. No Worries

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    News Alert: Trump has a plan!!!
     
  16. Rocket River

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    Considering that Trump has not been held accountable for too much of anything . . . how is handing him power over them better?

    but seriously the need for continuity between presidencies is high
    You seriously want every President to come in and replace hundreds if not thousands of administrators EVERY Administration
    In face at the whims of the president. Seriously the President should be able to fire (threaten) some functionary on the state and local level?
    The concept of AT WILL hires is nothing more than a way to attempt to take U.S. back to the 1920s
    The Era of Child Labor and unsafe work conditions and company towns
    were the employee held no rights what so ever . ... except serve or die


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    Because Trump would be elected by the people, whereas government bureaucrats are not. Being elected by the people is a foundational principle of democracy.
     
  18. Xopher

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    You people keep telling us we are a Constitutional Republic. Make up your ****ing minds.
     
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  19. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    What parts of Trump's agenda were thwarted by bureaucracy and how?
     
  20. CCorn

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    They want stooges.

    My MIL, who works for the DoD and is a lifelong Republican who I’ve heard use the term “libtard”, wouldn’t pass the sniff test because she 1) knows the election wasn’t stolen, 2) doesn't think someone who was so flippant with top secret documents, she has a top-secret security clearance, is fit for the presidency.
     
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