1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

2024 Season Astros General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by J.R., Apr 4, 2024.

  1. Houstunna

    Houstunna Mr Graphix
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2013
    Messages:
    38,447
    Likes Received:
    33,586
    I know you didn't.

    That's why I responded to whom I responded to.
     
    Tomstro likes this.
  2. Htown Stros

    Htown Stros Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2015
    Messages:
    6,589
    Likes Received:
    9,087
    I don’t believe a word their GM (and owner) says when it comes to anything that requires spending money. They constantly say what their fans want to hear. Went from talking about Ohtani to signing Mitch Garver in the offseason lol

    Maybe they take on an expiring contract like Alonso or something.
     
    Stephen66 and tehG l i d e like this.
  3. Htown Stros

    Htown Stros Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2015
    Messages:
    6,589
    Likes Received:
    9,087
    That doesn’t do anything to solve the problem of too many OF for the future though.

    If there is someone available at the deadline that gives this team a better chance to make the playoffs/win this season, I think Loperfido probably has to be included. Unless they view him as the 1B of the future but it’s pretty clear that would be a waste of his defensive capabilities in the OF.
     
    Tomstro likes this.
  4. Houstunna

    Houstunna Mr Graphix
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2013
    Messages:
    38,447
    Likes Received:
    33,586
    If Seattluck adds offense, that's a major benefit for them on that level.

    The question is, "will they also maintain perfect or near-perfect health during an entire 162, plus continue winning close games at an 75% rate?"

    AND, will the Astros' health get even worse (i.e. Troy, Bloss, JV, and Garcia, and more, ALL regress) simultaneously, plus the Astros continue losing close games at a 75% rate?"

    Seattluck better thank their lucky stars Jabreu ever sniffed the Astros '24 roster.

    162 is long season battling a prime dynasty, and the season isn't halfway done yet. The Mariners are flimsy.
     
    whiskeyred and everyday eddie like this.
  5. Wulaw Horn

    Wulaw Horn Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2018
    Messages:
    5,842
    Likes Received:
    7,109
    I understand what you are saying here, and agree with it somewhat. When we play our best 9 I like our guys at something like 7 or 8 of the positions, and I think you can make a bit of a homer type argument for all 9. but, their starting pitching is really really good. As long as it stays intact they aren’t particularly flimsy. Teams with starting pitching that good done typically go on long bad streaks.
     
  6. Houstunna

    Houstunna Mr Graphix
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2013
    Messages:
    38,447
    Likes Received:
    33,586
    Picsart_24-06-24_07-43-57-711.jpg
     
    whiskeyred likes this.
  7. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    100,261
    Likes Received:
    102,345
    redneck lingo bonafides confirmed, although it's typically spelled "dun" and often combined with "fixin' to" ie: I'm dun fixin'to [do whatever]
     
    Wulaw Horn likes this.
  8. IBTL

    IBTL Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2010
    Messages:
    15,560
    Likes Received:
    15,767
    Let's give some thoughtful prayer to this matter.
     
  9. raining threes

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    18,507
    Likes Received:
    13,380
    Any updates on Bloss' injury?
     
  10. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    100,261
    Likes Received:
    102,345
     
    whiskeyred and raining threes like this.
  11. Nick

    Nick Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 1999
    Messages:
    50,792
    Likes Received:
    17,162
    Theres no such thing as "small inflammation" that just comes out of nowhere.

    He didn't tear his entire labrum or rotator cuff... but something got partially roughed up. Not enough to see on imaging, but enough to create the mythical "small inflammation".

    I'm very happy he doesn't need surgery... but if one 37 pitch inning where he clearly over-extended what his body was trained/capable of handling at that point creates this sort of issue, he probably needs to not plan on doing much for awhile (i.e. - see you next season Jake).
     
    Buck Turgidson likes this.
  12. Jose Cuervo

    Jose Cuervo Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2022
    Messages:
    1,207
    Likes Received:
    1,376
    They have only used 6 starters so far this year. Bryce Miller pitched 131 innings last season, and he is at 92 innings this season. I wonder if they will let him push to 190 innings this year or try to limit him. Something to keep an eye on.
     
    Wulaw Horn and Houstunna like this.
  13. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    100,261
    Likes Received:
    102,345
    Yep, i'm totally ok with him not pitching for 2+ months
     
  14. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2010
    Messages:
    11,708
    Likes Received:
    15,299
    Not getting equal value if we deal anyone would be an issue. Keep in mind Yuli and Bregman were given playing time in left, but both were strong enough athletes to settle in at third and first.
     
  15. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    8,735
    Likes Received:
    10,985
    The majority of this is simple fact, not "anti Chas crap"

    1) Chas was a 21st rd draft choice that did not debut in MLB until his age 26 season and was never regarded a real prospect ( Fangraphs had him Astros #18 w/ 40 grade calling him a "low variance role player" in 2021)

    2) Chas' sprint speed and defensive metrics have declined each of the past 2 years. Jake started well ahead of him in both, and is actually improving his defense while losing less sprint speed.

    3) Meyers played in 2022 and ( possibly) 2023 without a shoulder that was less than 100%

    4) Last year through June, Meyers was having a good season. He was tied w/ Altuve for 5th on the team in WAR despite being 8th in PA and had an OPS of over .700 (.703). For a gold glove caliber CF, .700 is a very valuable player.

    Then Dusty sat him on the bench in favor of Dubon and he had a poor second half.

    Chas had a breakout season last year and I'm hoping he can get it back. I'm just much more confident in Meyers having 12+ WAR over his first 6 controllable seasons than Chas, because he has value in multiple areas of the game, while Chas' value is mostly tied to his bat.
     
  16. raining threes

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    18,507
    Likes Received:
    13,380
    What if you think both of them are avg and you would like to see Loperfido and eventually Baez get a shot at upgrading the OF? Personally I dont think finding .250 hitting OF'ers with weak arms are that hard to find.
     
    Castian Crew likes this.
  17. Tomstro

    Tomstro Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2016
    Messages:
    25,791
    Likes Received:
    22,860
    Still doesn't change the fact that Chas has better numbers over their careers. You want jake to be the better player but up until this season, it’s been Chas. Chas was injured this year and can still catch jake’s offensive output fairly easily. Again, Chas did stuff last year that jake has never done. He’s also done more in the playoffs. Being a Jake fanboy doesn’t change that.

    you and Buck love Dusty. You wanna think just like him.
     
  18. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    8,735
    Likes Received:
    10,985
    Per baseball savant:
    Hitting: (batting run value)
    2024: Chas 33rd percentile, Jake 70th
    2023: Chas 90th percentile, Jake 15th ( yuck)
    2022: Chas 50th percentile, Jake 30th

    Chas has the history and still the better career, Jake has this year.

    Power: (avg of xSLG and Avg Exit Velo)
    2024: Chas 30th, Jake 61st
    2023: Chas 47th, Jake 9th (yuck)

    See Hitting.

    Speed:
    2024: Chas 82nd percentile, Jake 87th
    2023: Chas 72nd percentile, Jake 92nd
    2022: Chas 84th percentile, Meyers 89th
    Baserunning run value:
    2024: Chas 20th percentile, Jake 93rd
    2023: Chas 40th percentile, Jake 72nd.

    Chas is better than average, but Jake is faster and a better base runner.

    Defense: ( fielding run value)
    2024: Chas 61st percentile, Jake 95th
    2023: Chas 64th percentile, Jake 87th
    Fielding range:
    2024: Chas 79th percentile, Jake 97th
    2023: Chas 87th percentile, Jake 96th

    Arm value:
    2024: Chas 19th percentile, Jake 22nd
    2023: Chas 26th percentile, Jake 31st
    Avg throw:
    2024: Chas 81.8 mph, Jake 83.2 mph
    2023: Chas 85.0 mph, Jake 86.0 mph

    Chas is a good fielder but falling fast while Jake is still getting better.

    They both have frappycarms but Jake's is slightly less crappy.
     
  19. Tomstro

    Tomstro Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2016
    Messages:
    25,791
    Likes Received:
    22,860
    They are both terrible baserunners and chas steals more bases.
     
    raining threes likes this.
  20. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    8,735
    Likes Received:
    10,985
    The numbers say Chas is a more accomplished hitter who is lacking in every other area. They also say Jake is still improving while Chas' had a career year and is on the way down.

    Even In his great year last year there were signs. He was below 40th percentile in: xBA, Avg Exit Velo, Hard Hit %, Chase %, Whiff % and K %.

    I hope Chas can get back to where he was last year, but don't think it's his true ceiling. I think it's a lucky outlier and he never sees .800 OPS again.

    I have given stats/metrics to back up everything I have said. I don't see you giving any actual proof for your opinion.

    And what site are you reading? I respect Dusty's character and his career. I never wanted him hired and wanted him replaced every single season !!

    Unfortunately I wanted Espada in 2020 and 2021 and 2022 and 2023 and finally got him in 2024. . .
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now