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[2024 NBA FINALS] (1) Boston Vs. (5) Dallas

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Mr. Dominant, May 31, 2024.

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2024 NBA FINALS: (1) Boston Celtics Vs. (5) Dallas Mavericks

  1. Celtics in 4

  2. Celtics in 5

  3. Celtics in 6

  4. Celtics in 7

  5. Mavericks in 4

  6. Mavericks in 5

  7. Mavericks in 6

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  1. roslolian

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    You still havent mentioned a superior team Harden has closed out in the playoffs. How can you claim Harden is better when he hasnt done something Luka has done twice?
     
  2. StroudAndYorDaddy

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    harden is better, all the advanced prove it.. pick one/ name one harden is better than his ass. Crying about an mvp when his mavs team was literally the 7th and 8th seed all year smh. Harden was the 2nd seed 2x, while leading the nba in vorp both times and the nba media hated harden so much they changed the criteria overnight to screw him over. In 2017 if you dont wanna give it to harden.. fine, but then kawhi should have won it. Westbrick and his okc team in 2017 didnt lack talent at all. Jeremi Grant, Domantas Sabonis( whos he), Steven Adams, all-nba defenders in victor oladipo and andre roberson.. funny how sabonis and oladpio became all-star as soon as they got away from westbrick and his low iq play


    Boston won with moreyball my guy, literally 47% of their shots this year were from 3 point range, that is not some new discovered offense, that is the same offense the rockets used in the 2017 and 2018 seasons..

    https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-3pt-attempts-per-game-in-2018-by-team

    https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-3pt-attempts-per-game-in-2024-by-team
     
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  3. roslolian

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    The Mavs beat Minny who has 56 wins. Rockets lost to Portland who had 54 wins. How would Harden send Luka home?

    Copium at its finest.

    Making in the Finals is pathetic? What about Harden who lost in the first round? Luka lost to a 64 win team Harden lost to 54 win team and you think thats amazing?
     
  4. StroudAndYorDaddy

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    all that luka has done and he still aint made a single dent in the dominance that was harden using any advanced stat you can find harden clears fat boy.

    The only thing luka has benefited from is stealing hardens high usage heliocentric playstyle and be able to put up gaudy numbers at a much younger age whereas harden started his career in okc and the high usage rate that harden popularized he started at age 27 much later in his career in 2017.. Its much easier to emulate the pioneer( although not as good) than being the pioneer and breaking the game of basketball your damn self

    harden pioneered all these fake copy cats that handle the ball all game in the modern era.. haliburton, bruson, luka, shai... without harden playstyle with dantoni in houston, all 4 of these players i just named would be playing completely different, especially a player like trae young
     
  5. roslolian

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    You are just trolling at this point cant even answer anyone of my
    Harden wasnt on the Boston team so that is irrelevant. Harden was on that Rox team that lost to Portland so thats relevant.
     
  6. roslolian

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    How is Harden dominant when he hasnt beaten a single superior opponent his entire career and choked multiple times to inferior teams? Thats the opposite of dominance.

    You realize Harden is the OG fatboy right?
     
  7. StroudAndYorDaddy

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    bro 56 wins doesnt mean you are a great team..

    harden in 2015 led a much worse rockets team to 56 wins with dwight missing 44 games and his backcourt mate being a young pat beverely and pablo prigoini. Like what are we talking about here, harden didnt have a jalen brunson or spencer dinwiddie as his backcourt mate. He didnt even beverely cause he was injured he had the corpse of jason terry and pablo priginio guarding prime steph and harden was called a choker for losing againist 3 all stars lol. Luka has by comparison been babied by the media
     
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    Who were the 3 best players in that Portland Series?
    Harden was dragging Eremy (I give up steals which simply holding the ball would win the game) Lin and CHandsome Parsons
    Meanwhile Dame had Aldridge

    Rocket River
     
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  9. Icehouse

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    What does that have to do with Luka’s conditioning or defensive effort?

    Because one was missing their best player, that they wouldn’t have won that many games without, and the other two were led by kids barely old enough to drink. The latter two teams also matched up poorly with Dallas and had players that Dallas could hide Luka on defensively.

    He was injured, but good enough to have offensive effort. His injuries have nada to do with spending as much time crying to refs as you do attempting to play defense. Being in shape also helps with injuries.

    See my above response. Not every team has enough offensive weapons to prevent Dallas from hiding Luka on defense.

    The Celtics rely on their players playing both ends, which Luka is not capable of doing. They require their players to be in shape to play both ends, which Luka is not. Neither can do what the other can, but one just lost a Finals with:

    - a gameplan centered around abusing him on one side of the ball

    - an out of shape star that faded to close nearly every game
     
  10. roslolian

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    Yeah and Luka beat a 56 Minny team and a 64 win PHX team. When has Harden done something like that?
     
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    Dwight Howard 26/13
    Parsons 16/5/4
    Harden 25/4/6

    Aldridge 26/10

    Pretty sure Rox were favored that series.
     
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  12. roslolian

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    Steph Curry was never a defensive star either but nobody gives a crap about that. Why is being an offense only star such a big deal now?

    OKC being young didnt prevent them from getting first seed, but now thats just an excuse why they lost? lol wtf.

    Luka being out of shape probably has something to do with Mavs being paper thin, being injured and beating the top teams in the West. Didnt Harden take like 2 yrs to recover from his leg injury? Thats the reason Harden and Irving had beef cuz Irving was so pissed Harden entered camp out of shape.
     
  13. StroudAndYorDaddy

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    ok??? and harden sent a 56 win clippers team home in 2015.. those clippers, rockets and the modern okc, and minny teams are not generational teams like those warriors teams. Not even last years nuggets would be a problem for those harden rockets teams. Its about matchups more than anything in the playoffs. The warriors due to their owner being able to overspend were able to afford multiple defenders just as big if not as strong as harden.. klay, draymond, iguodala were all great poa defenders.. Imagine those 3 rotating on harden as the only source of offense to creating for others. So harden had to consistently beat a young klay, iggy or draymond then be met at the time by a super underrated defensive stalworth in andrew bogut smh. I look at the nuggets roster and i cant see jamal murray, michael porter jr or will barton slowing rockets harden down i just cant. In fact i can see harden paying jokic off the court. None of these guards are as clever in the pick and roll as prime harden. Not even luka

    luka was having problems with gary payton jr and andrew wiggins just 2 years ago. Its not the same, i would expect a longtime poster of this forum to realize the difference
     
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    suns were always paper tigers, i never feared a chris paul led team.
     
  15. roslolian

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    The difference is Luka went to the Finals and Harden keeps choking.
     
  16. roslolian

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    Arent you just crowing about Harden beating the Cp3 Clippers in your previous post? So Cp3 is awesome when Harden beats him but is a paper tiger when Luka beats him? Btw Clippers 56 wins, Suns 64 wins.

    Lol I am done.
     
  17. StroudAndYorDaddy

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    og fatboy dusts luka tho

    luka is an overrated box score numbers compiler who impact doesnt translate to the spreadsheet, which explains why the mavs often underachiever. League carried "fat hurt" ass these playoffs

    espn got rid of 538 raptor for a reason.. remmeber that lol









     
  18. Icehouse

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    Please highlight the finals or playoff series GS lost because Curry was making no defensive efforts? Or out of shape?

    Playoff experience matters. Are you really questioning that? OKC was young and didn’t match up well with Dallas. They have multiple rotation players that Dallas can hide Luka on.

    Stop it. Luka is overweight and this isn’t anything new for him.
     
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    did the celtics make the finals when jayson tatum got hurt vs the heat in last years ecf.. NOPE

    why would you expect harden to lead the rockets past the warriors without chris paul, nevermind the "scott foster" effect

    you are just trolling, but you are failing and crashing because im giving logical rebuttals at each one of your responses. "You wanna play.. ok lets play"

    lukas entire playstyle is praised and heralded by the same white( yes im using race) media pundits that **** on and intentionally voted aganist harden for years when it came to end of season awards. The same players that you and the racist in the media claim hate james harden, somehow voted for him for season mvp on 3 seperate occassions lol. Now imagine if the players were still voting on these end of season awards how they used to prior to i think the 84 season. There would be no harden/wade debate even without harden winning a ring

    Now if luka wants to prove his greatness to me, i want the league to put in rules to nerf him( the stay-down jump into the defender foul baiting) would be a good start, and i wanna see how luka would be able to evolve overnight when the nba actively tries to put a cap on his scoring, would luka be able to lead the league in assists and being amongst the leaders in assits/turnover ratio while posting 20/10 over 60% true shooting.. to me greatness is adapting with the times, ok so you dont want me to lead the league in scoring.. ok bet, ill just lead the league in assist. "where they do that at"
     
  20. Icehouse

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    Luka just choked though, and you are here making excuses for him. He went ghost on offense to close games and gave no effort on defense. Why aren’t you saying he choked?
     
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