Racism & Fear Mongering About Immigrant Crime

It’s not Biden’s policy as the courts stopped Biden from enforcing a tougher policy and Congress hasn’t acted on a bill that was negotiated on a bipartisan basis.

 

A reminder that the courts also blocked some of Trump’s policies so the current state of immigration is as much Biden’s policies as all those “caravans” we kept on hearing about in 2017 and 2018 was Trump’s policy.

 

The bigger thing that you havnt mentioned is right wingers have for years claimed migrants cause crime and are bad for society. @basso claims biden has allowed hundreds of thousands of migrants into the country without knowing who they are but violent crime is down substantially all across the nation.

The right wing narrative that migrants cause crime has been debunked. Don't let the MAGA control the narrative

 

Yes also that crime is actually down. The basis of this thread was that there is a lot of fear mongering around immigrants and some posters are proving that.

 

"some posters" aka you mean right wingers @basso @Astrodome @AroundTheWorld. They have been peddling lies and conspiracies which have been debunked.

Time to call a spade a spade. Right wingers have no problem peddling disinformation and conspiracies cuz their entire movement relies upon fear mongering and instilling fear

 

Biden opened the border. the courts did not stop him from closing that which he'd opened.

 

You've been trying to bait me into personal insults for months now. It's not going to happen. You don't agree with some of my posts. It's not a big deal.

 

It's nothing against you. It's against disinformation and conspiracies. I have the same issue with lefties @glynch who peddle lie after lie as well.

Disinformation shouldn't be a partisan issue. We should strive to be honest. God fearing people shouldn't lie. Period

 

you've watched his show?

 

The courts overruled his efforts to asylum rules when title 42 ended.

Biden didn’t open the border and can’t close the border on his own. No US president has that authority.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/im...-immigration-policy-calling-invalid-rcna96272

 

Fake photo, but the message isn’t entirely wrong.

We know who he is, so let’s not be dishonest about it. Everyone can make their own choice and own it. About eight years ago (and even four years ago), the argument that Trump voters didn’t know who he was is very valid. That’s not the case today.

 

I agree. I am not knocking down Biden for the recent videos of him in the field, juneteenth, or with Obama. I think the news commentary hasn't been complimentary but the videos are real. He just doesn't move very well and anyone with older family members understand this. I don't think it is fair to condemn him for that at all. But Astros123 assertion is easily demonstratable as false.

 

I haven't watched the TV news or social media posts much lately (or ever for years, lol), so I'm completely unaware of the video.

But, morally, there is nothing wrong with being old and slow. But, there is everything wrong with being an unashamed career criminal.

I believe we are as moral as the leader we choose.

 

No idea if Afghan's are committing a higher level of sexual assault in Germany. I wouldn't be surprised, as Afghanistan is literally the poster child for PTSD, violence and a complete lack of law. I am sure taking people that come from those circumstances have in some cases, lots of issues moving to Europe and doing well at first. Also - Europe in general is not that great at having immigrants blend in. The idea of a melting pot isn't second nature like it is in the USA or even South America.

 

So, the government is responsible for every crime committed by an immigrant?

I don't know where you draw the line - but I am pretty sure that you don't draw the line at any crime.

Also - with the falling birth rate, and lots of land and resources - we are likely going to see and need more immigrants... and while there needs to be some form of vetting process, the two parties cannot even agree that the sun comes up in the morning. The reality is that the USA has always had unfettered crossings from the Southern border, and we knew nothing about the background of those that crossed. In NY we checked for disease, but that was about it - we let many criminals come in from Italy and Ireland and had no idea of their backgrounds.

Perhaps we have just been lucky for the last 200 years, but I do not think we are going to see a major change. Most of the restrictions in US history have been based on racism and I would argue have in most cases been negative for the country as a whole. An example being the restriction on Chinese and Japanese. We also restricted Eastern Europeans at one point and that hurt us as well.

 

There are some people that want to replace the white power structure in the USA - I have heard a number of people say it. My response to that is simple - you aren't going to replace the white power structure in the USA any time soon, because all that happens is that what is viewed as "white" changes.

For a long time Catholics, Scotts, Irish and Italians were not considered white. It was only 70 years ago that being Catholic excluded people from being white and from marrying white people. Now all are considered "white", and we are seeing Hispanics in many cases being considered white, and even Asians.

So, people like Tucker Carlson talking about a version of a white genocide or replacement theory are fighting over a definition and concept that doesn't even mean what they think it means. The replacement has already happened 10 times over in US history.

 

Immigrants have been flooding into the USA across the Southern border with little interference since Texas joined the Union. Some periods are worse than others, depending on the economy in the USA and the Economy South of the border. We also didn't know who the people were that flooded the border in the past. The only real big difference now is that most of the Mexicans that want to come to the USA are already here, and we are seeing a lot of immigrants from Venezuela and other South American countries. Interestingly enough, our tough line on Venezuela (like we took with Cuba), has resulted in conditions that have led Venezuelans to come to the USA.

I will say that there is some serious tension between Mexicans in the USA and the newer Venezuelans - the Venezuelans are the new El Salvadorians, they have lived in war like conditions and they are a lot more nihilistic than a lot of Mexicans now settled in the USA.

 

It's easier for the immigrants to blend in here because most are Christian or, at the very least, not Muslim. That's a big deal. I imagine most Muslims who integrate the best into Western countries drop some of the more conflictive parts of Islam.