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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by adoo, Jun 28, 2023.

  1. Xopher

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    Again. Read what you linked.
    This webpage is specific to the temporary suspension of dog importation from high-risk dog countries for dog rabies, which expires July 31, 2024."

    That is from the link YOU posted.

    Also importing a puppy for resale that is under 6 months of age has been banned since 2008 by the USDA


    Here are the current rules.

    https://usacustomsclearance.com/process/how-to-import-a-dog/


    Even previously with the CDC rule it was a 4 month MINIMUM to bring a puppy into the country. So either you are a liar, can't read the actual rules, or know the rules and are being a disingenuous troll. You pick. I'll call you whichever you prefer.
     
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  2. No Worries

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    Are these foreign countries the US their best dogs? The word on The Street is that only criminal dogs are being sent.

    If you're importing a dog into the U.S., new rules apply - NPR

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced new rules Wednesday aimed at preventing dogs with rabies from coming into the United States.

    Under the new regulations, all dogs entering the U.S. must appear healthy, must be at least six months old, must have received a microchip, and the owner must verify the animal either has a valid rabies vaccine or has not been in a country where rabies is endemic in the last six months.

    The U.S. imports an estimated 1 million dogs each year. In 2021, amid a surge of pandemic-inspired dog adoptions, the CDC suspended importations from 113 countries where rabies is still endemic because of an increase in fraudulent rabies vaccination certificates.
     
  3. Os Trigonum

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    this is incorrect. We have brought 8 week old puppies into this country for years, and in fact my wife returns to Quebec this weekend to bring home 8-week old puppies. This will no longer be possible after August 1.

    again: https://www.cdc.gov/importation/bringing-an-animal-into-the-united-states/dogs.html

    and the regs in the Federal Register: https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...reign-quarantine-importation-of-dogs-and-cats
     
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  4. Os Trigonum

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    and the AKC explanation:

    https://www.akc.org/legislative-alerts/understanding-cdcs-new-rule-bringing-dogs-united-states/

    excerpt:

    The CDC considered two factors to be of utmost importance for protecting public health as related to importing dogs into the U.S.: The dog’s vaccination status and its country of origin.

    Effective August 1, 2024, all dogs imported into the U.S. are required to:

    (1) Appear healthy upon arrival,
    (2) Be at least six months of age,
    (3) Have an ISO-compatible microchip implanted for identification purposes, and
    (4) Be accompanied by a CDC Dog Import Form online submission receipt (no cost).
    more at the link
     
  5. Os Trigonum

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    obligatory connection to thread topic of economics: the pet industry in the U.S. is currently estimated to contribute somewhere 200 to 300 billion dollars annually, estimates project that to increase to perhaps 500 billion annually by 2030
     
  6. Space Ghost

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    It's very very clear the Democrat party is up for sale for very cheap. Pennies on the dollar to get your competition banned.

    Like how much money is in international dog breeding that you have to pay Biden to knock them off?? 5 million?

    Why would you ever go to war with the dog community?? It's like he is trying to lose.
     
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    "It's very clear the democratic party is for sale" lol. Trump is literally offering corporate America any executive orders they wish he write in exchange for campaign donations but the dems are corrupt



    You are literally one of the dumbest mfers on these forums
     
  8. Space Ghost

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    When everyone knows your politician is bought and paid for, it's shameless to be known as the cheapest prostitute.
     
  9. astros123

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    I actually thought you were smart at one point. Social media has sincerely destroyed your brain
     
  10. juicystream

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    Good. We shouldn't be importing dogs when shelters and rescues are so crowded. We don't need more dogs in this country.
     
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  11. Os Trigonum

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    kind of hard to race or hunt with generic shelter dogs
     
  12. astros123

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    Don't smuggle dogs under 6 months old
     
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    We shouldn't race dogs, and lots of breeds are actually capable of hunting, not that I consider that a priority when dogs are being put to death.
     
  14. Os Trigonum

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    why?
     
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    Maybe this belong more with the over regulation (is there one) thread?

    This seems resonable: "CDC has the authority to issue a CDC Dog Import Permit to bring in 1 or 2 dogs from a high-risk country for dog rabies. Permits will be issued only for dogs that were vaccinated against rabies in a foreign country. Dogs with current valid US issued rabies vaccination certificates do not need a permit."
     
  16. Os Trigonum

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    that's really a completely different issue from the six-month puppy regulation across the board
     
  17. Xopher

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    MADGA! Make American Dogs Great Again!
     
  18. Amiga

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    Oh, that's from the link you provided. The 6-month requirement applies here, and my understanding is that young dogs do not yet have an adequate immune response from rabies vaccination. IIRC, dogs in the US (or most if not all US states??) are required to be vaccinated against rabies but only after 6 months (or it might be 3 months) for the same reason.

    I think the whole deal here is to maintain a standard where dogs in the U.S. are rarely, if ever, at risk of contracting rabies. It can never be 100% safe, but the risk is very low here with these vaccination requirements. In other countries without such stringent requirements, the rabies risk is much higher.
     
  19. Os Trigonum

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    the practical issue about puppies under six months is that there is virtually no way for them to get rabies . . . they are not really a risk to bring rabies into the United States. Again, there's a nonzero probability it could happen, but this is just not a real problem in a sense of the word. A solution looking for a problem.
     
  20. Os Trigonum

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    I'll just add the two contexts with which I am most familiar, dogs coming from Canada and from Scandinavian countries in Northern Europe. The wiki entry on prevalence of rabies:

    and

    Canada
    Rabies is extremely rare in Canada. Since 1924 only 25 people have died of rabies; however, rabies is endemic in Canadian wildlife.[58] As of 2021 there were only four cases of rabies in Canada since 2000, three of which were exposed to the virus through a bat in Canada.[58] The province of Ontario continues aerial drops of baits containing rabies vaccines, which reduced the incidence of rabies by 99% since the 1990s but continues to fight a 2015 outbreak of rabies in wild racoons imported from the USA.[59][60]
    Clearly the blanket rules are overly broad and unnecessarily restrictive. While well-intended, they are just another example of an over-zealous bureaucracy making peoples' lives more difficult instead of better.
     

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