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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. basso

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    surely you appreciate the difference between US role/obligations in Iraq/Afghanistan, and the same in Ukraine.
     
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    to a tune of 3+ Trillion

    a 3x costlier mistake than the Vietnam war (~1T in today money)

    To put cost into perspective, our ongoing 20+ year war on terror has cost over $8 trillion, according to an estimate from the Cost of War project at Brown University.

    When you look at these costs, our defense budget, and our other obligations, the cost of supporting Ukraine is not driving our debt or deficit. Policies such as the Trump tax cut, the Bush tax cut, and the war on terror are much larger and longer-lasting drivers.
     
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    The GOP only ever cares about money - not people, just their own ****ing pocket books.

    The most selfish people in the world.

    Disgraceful.

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    I thought grocery store chains were the most greedy and selfish people.

    I can't keep up
     
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    Woke people are like dumber communists

    They say one thing but what happens when Whole Foods is closed and they can’t get organic tofu

    @Salvy
     
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    Yes, remember folks, the "violent coup" was a popular uprising against of the Russian puppet whose last meaningful act was to give Paul Manafort a suitcase full of $100's to elect Donald Trump.

    I love how you still have Bernie Sanders as your avatar, He'd beat your Trumpist ass with a switch of birch and pour maple syrup on your crumpled body if he read your putinist/MAGA trashaganda.
     
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    Better than your MAGA sign and your white-grievance powered medicare scooter and your colostomy bag of takes.
     
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    Yes in both those it was US soldiers having to do the fighting instead of locals fighting for their countries. One of those the US stayed far too long after the original mission was done and the other US troops shouldn't have been therein the first place.
     
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    good; now you can edit your previous post, which was a complete non-sequitur.
     
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    Not really. You have a poster criticizing the US for being involved in foreign involvements and draining resources yet he was one of the voices for open ended foreign involvement. As you were from what I recall too.
     
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    I fully supported both wars.
     
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    Don't underestimate the morale of the Russian soldier

     
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    This channel has nice shorts with historical battle breakdowns and troop formations. Using that format in a real time modern setting sounds pretty cool if they get better at it.



    It's becoming more evident at the 17:30 mark that NATO is using Ukraine as a fence to upgrade their military in order to keep up with Russia's current industrial capabilities, which means we'll prop up Ukraine until all NATO members feel confident with pushing back or Deterring any sudden or accidental border crossings.

    I doubt Trump could find cause to unilaterally pull out with these increases in Euro spending. We would be the main arms supplier that benefits from and can handle their upgrade orders.

    If he really wanted to, he'd at least engineer a withdrawal once their supply chain is mid way capable, but since he'd be a morbidly obese lame duck, you never know where he lands with his mood swings.
     
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    Basically Putun just demanding everybody give him everything he wants again, or there will be consequences. No surprise nobody takes it seriously. By no means a good faith offer for peace.

    The Inner Party
     
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    The vid in 24:20 to 25:00 talks about both sides demand for peace.

    The Ukranian children Russia plundered is just as horrific as the hostages Hamas took.

    Too bad that's forgotten when Russian peaceniks talk about ceasefire.
     
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