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Nothing good comes from Canada.

 

I have a friend that I game with most weeks who lives in Canada. He has said there is a huge influx of immigrants from India and some people are upset about it, and that it is stretching things thin and is a big change from how life was when he was growing up. I wondered why we never hear about it in the States. But after 2 seconds of wondering, I realized why.

 

and i thought he was a Cancunian

 

Indians in the United States haven't had any problems assimilating.

In fact Indians in the United States have on the whole been very successful.

I find the assimilation argument to be very interesting - there are always groups that claims are made will never assimilate. in the 1900's they said it about the Irish, that they only associated with other Irish and had no interest in becoming "American (whatever that means)" and they became so assimilated that the Irish American identity is basically gone, same was said about Italians too and Mexican Americans. Really, the only group that hasn't completely melted into the pot is black Americans and that is because we did everything to keep that from happening for almost 300 years, and since just the 1990's there has been rapid assimilation.

 

I have had the pleasure of working in an Indian company, some of the nicest folks around, but the longer you are there, the more you see things that make you go....hmmmmm...

Not many women hired, a glass ceiling for anyone that is not Indian, hiring incompetent friends - ultimately it was a strange experience, very generous and nice folks but not a well run company at all - definitely a ton of Nepotism and cronyism.

Just one experience, can't say it is like that everywhere, but it was at Punchh.

DD

 

Amazing that MAGA is so obsessed with Blacks and Hispanics.. They should be worried about the immigrants from India...

They will be the majority in the next 5 to 10 years..

T_Man

 

In the US at least, I think South Asians (Desi?) are still the highest earning ethnic group. They're doing comparatively good on the CEO front too...


I thought this topic was about the beef (pun intended) between Trudeau and the Indian Government.

Timeline: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/timeline-canada-india-tensions-arrests-1.7193238#

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/03/amer...-assassination-suspects-intl-latam/index.html

Haven't really paid attention other than headlines, but the timeline is a good primer.

 

Why do you expect anyone on a Houston-based BBS to have meaningful opinions on Canadian immigration law?

 

I don’t know why the focus is so much on the immigrants being Indian, in particular the problem seems to be sheer numbers in such a short period of time. The infrastructure (physical and economic) is struggling to handle it.

 

I live in Chicago now, lots of Indians in Houston and a fair number of them in Chicago as well.

I know a lot of Indians that are not married to other Indians actually.

Two of my good friends are Indians and both of their wives are white - and some of my co-workers have married Indian women.

I am familiar with Indian culture primarily through my friendships - there is culturally a lot of pressure put on Indian children to be very strongly connected to their family and to accumulate wealth and to take care of their parents and grandparents. There are certainly Indians that do this - but there are a lot that do not, especially if they were born in the USA, and now - I am old enough to see third generation Indians, and most of them do not date other Indians and have little to do with traditional Indian culture by that point.

As for diet - yes, one of my friends (born in India and moved to the USA at 12) keeps some of the traditional India dietary traditions or no pork or beef, and his kids do too - and they will celebrate a couple Indian holidays a year, but that is it. His wife is white, and she doesn't really even know very much about his culture. He will talk about it if anyone asks, but he doesn't really have much interest. His kids are half Indian, and his oldest daughter dates a white guy and his sons have zero interest in Indian culture.

I am old enough now to remember when people said that Mexicans had no interest in American culture - and that they lived exactly the same that they did in Mexico. Now - I see third generation Mexican Americans (especially in Chicago) that cannot speak Spanish, that are as acculturated as anyone else in the USA.

At the end of the day - prosperity and the melting pot gets everyone - cultural identity fades and becomes less important.

 

I don't like these type of narratives of a specific race or ethnicity being more "hard working" or "inherently smarter".

And I'm a child of South Asian immigrants who fit the stereotype of every family member being an engineer or MD (academicly and financially successful).

All these stereotypes we Americans have of certain groups like Asian Americans is purely based on a selection filter. Poor Indians and Chinese people who have little formal education are not the predominant migrating group to America.


Any group of humans who come through economic hardships trying to find a better life will get the treatment of saying try are a pariah immigrant group that will ruin the future of the country. The Irish were economic and oppressed migrants from the British and came here poor and therefore got that treatment. Latin migrants get that treatment. Brown Muslim migrants in Europe get that treatment. Usually after a couple of generations of some financially success within these groups "integrate" and the rhetoric dies down.

This Canada situation is unique in the sense that it is mainly a pool of educated technically skilled migrants coming in and still there is this rhetoric of them being bad for the country which kinda is a mask off moment where the people who usually complain about this stuff are going masks off and being open that they care about the racial make up of the country rather than just having the argument that too many poor migrants can harm the economy.

 

It isn't unique to Indians - it isn't unique to Canada and it is nothing new.... this is a topic that comes up over and over in history, especially in North America ..... it was the Scotts, then the Germans.... then the Irish.... then the Italians.... then the Mexicans..... then the Venezuelans.... in Canada they have had similar waves.

Everyone thinks "this group is different" and also underplay the uncomfortable inter play between the people from country X and the new immigrants. It wasn't all peachy with the poor Irish and the Protestant WASP America...... it was even worse with the anarchist Italians .... and the Mexicans ....... etc.

 

I don't know about being smarter or even more hard working.

I will say that Indian Americans have been financially successful in the USA and culturally there is a lot of pressure on recent immigrants to be financially successful.

 

It was peachier 20 years ago, but housing has exploded to unseen heights and their contraction post money binge is more noticeable on the aggregate than ours. A lot of that boom has been attributed to foreign capital parking assets in Canadian real estate, though people usually read the unsavory bits like the triad using a casino loophole for money laundering.

It's easier to blame inflation and housing/CoL instability upon immigrants and before this stink, there was a lot of scrutiny on Chinese immigrants and students as there was in the States.

Not keen on why theres shift in focus. Could be many things, and I don't live there or care enough to pay attention.

 

It is all cultural - not a shred of ethnicity is involved.

Unless your Filipino though, those guys don't know basketball for squat.

LOL

DD

 

Immigrants - the poor - women ........ and yes, eventually even children - get blamed when the relatively entitled see that they are inconvenienced or facing the consequences of economic and political change.

When you realize that the ability or the inevitability of home ownership for a white male or white family that "plays the social caste system" is GONE - well that is going to cause a lot of issues, because white males and white families in general have been raised to believe their voice counts and is accounted for God Damnit! -

When the realization sets in that these same actors (wealthy) and big business don't ultimately give a **** about them - then they turn to their government to protect THEM and if that fails - well the politicians better at least say they will help them and affirm that their position on the social pecking order, because while they may not be rich - and they may now no longer own a home and their neighbors now are black and or speak Spanish - at least they KNOW they are above them if their politician tells them that they are.

It is like a fire and brimstone Baptist sermon claiming all those that do not believe are going to hell, but the congregation is special and important ...... and while the minister claims he can heal people and that he is a just man of God, that is better to believe than the fact that they all know the minister is ****ing a 16 year old girl and that he spends all the donations on white claw and meth ........ but it is a good fairy tale and it keeps them from the reality that they are just as insignificant as that ******* standing in front of Home Depot that will do day labor for cash - of that black homeless man that talks to himself that you pass on the feeder entrance every day on the way to work so you can pay your rent and convince yourself of your own importance.