"Team points scored per 100 possessions when the player is in the game minus team points allowed per 100 possessions when the player is in the game." The definition is ample in the context of the table the site provides. But yeah, by itself it seems a little vague. I'll edit my original post. Edit: I can't edit because of the time limit stuff. Oh well, at least this post is here.
It seems like you want to include defensive impact on a thread where people are ranking offensive impact because they are discussing ts%. If you cared about a holistic approach to discussing impact you'd care more about a list that just ranks ts%. I'm discussing how that ts% impacts impact on team offense. You dismissing this ranking is odd when you didn't say anything about a rank of players based on purely ts% So ya points per possession is more relevant here. Think about your motivation for posting your reply to me. You are offended I made a rank of impact on ppp in a these people are ranking offensive reddit of individual players. So according to your logic the original list is even less relevant as it's just ts%. So why aren't you offended about the original list. I say offended because you say it's "shallow". Yet a ts% ranking isn't shallow? Is ts% showing defensive impact? Stop speaking from your ass in such a authoritative manner. Being confidently incorrect is the most cringe. So at this point it just seems like your sole criterion for "shallow" is "a list that shows Jalen Green in a positive light". "bOtH sIdeS oF tHe CoUrt MaTter". No ****... This thread is based on a list about true shooting percentage. So it seems relevant to analyze individual SCORING efficiency to team offensive impact. If you were logically consistent you'd be more offended about the original list
I saw you refer to that specific stat several times in order to defend Jalen, so I wanted to take a quick look at Clean the Glass and go over review that stat and some other ones to get deeper insight into the matter. I admit, didn't really pay that much attention to the thread. The definition of True Shooting is very clear. I agree that it can be a "shallow" stat when used singularly. Usage, the type of shots the player is taking etc. matters a lot when evaluating True Shooting. No need to be rude to each other.
Illt be rude when I feel as if someone wants to dictate what a "shallow" stat is based on a player they don't like. And yes you've routinely done the "well actually" line anytime someone says something positive about green so your motivation to determine shallowness is shallow in itself. If you cared about shallow stats you'd notice the thread raison d'etre of ranking players based on individual scoring efficiency. So why would you notice the shallowness of a state with a reply that received the off drive impact of a singular scoring efficiency metric rather than the actual original post that just ranked score ng efficiency,m It makes no logical sense on your part unless you are only offended by stats that don't shine Green in a specific light.
I'm absolutely biased, just like everybody else. I don't believe Green was a good player last year, except the amazing stretch in March. So I tend to respond to the posts opposing that. Every poster has those tendencies. What's wrong with that? I always try to have a reasoning. I don't mindlessly hate.
Jalen Green was 58.3 TS% in last 20 games of 23/24 For every action there is a reaction Action: threat of 3-pt shooters along the perimeter [Sengun out with injury] (minus Amen setting screens...Jabari playing Center...sometimes Amen out Holiday/Bullock in) Reaction: with added spacing, Jalen Green was able to carve a defense up; which improved TS%) https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=jalen+green+ts%+for+last+20+games+of+23/24 **Not saying draft Sheppard, he can't & won't be able to guard the faster PG's or bigger SG's.
Got curious and took a look at Jalen Green's TS% last year based on different lineups. With Sengun it's 54% No Sengun it's 53% No Sengun with Jabari 51% No Sengun with Jabari+Amen 55% No Sengun No Amen No Landale with Jabari (Jabari at the 5 without a non-shooting big) 42% I mean from looking at results it's clear that there isn't just some magical lineup that's unlocking Jalen. He just had a hot stretch that covered a lot of really bad teams near the end of the season.
LOL talk about nitpicking For the last 10 games of 23/24, your boy had 39.0 FG% 28.2 3PT% 50.4 TS% what's the action/reaction or your excuse?
Nice job! Thanks for putting to rest the idea that Jalen was better because Alpy was out. Makes me curious to what the team TS% is when Jalen is on the floor vs not.
Out of context. Add previous year was with Silas, tanking, 30th in team 3P%, Eric Gordon shot like crap from 3 vs the previous season when Jalen was a rookie. Gordon shot over 40% and supposedly Houston turned down a first round pick for him. Christian Woods opened up the court as well which allowed Jalen Green to get to shoot better at times. Sengun never missed significant amount of games allowing Jalen Green (and coach) to find himself. Last season multiple players shot the 3 well in the first 20 games in 23/24 which allowed Sengun to be the hub of the offense.....but then 3-pt shooting faltered and teams could load the paint better which in turn surrounded Sengun better. Lineups before and after those 20 games may show something different from each other. I e been consistent: put Jalen Green in a 5-man out system and eventually he will break down defenses. I said that in pre draft assessments, that MJ, Kobe, and Jalen Green all have great jumping ability, hang time, ability to comfort in air and get off the shot. Where MJ, Kobe needed to be stronger because of the physicality of the game, Jalen Green speed and ability to zig zag through the lane and still jump will be crucial in this day and age. I did expect Jalen to be at 198 pounds last year and absorb contact better, Jalen Green did learn at end of season to seek out contact while in the paint. For most of his first 3 seasons, Jalen leaned away from contact and bounced off hard from the body contact. Refs would not call anything. Green learned refs are ok with the offensive player running thru there delivering forearm shivers. NBA be looking like football running backs using stiff arms and pushing people around on their way to rim.
fatigue Udoka had the team playing playoff defense the entire season: even VanVleet and Dillon Brooks got tired after 40 games. Check the numbers on that nit picker The offense was trying to run when Sengun went down..... unfortunately the troops were depleted with Tari out, Sengun out, VanVleet/Dillon Brooks missed a couple of games, Cam Whitmore missed some of that stretch and then came back a little rusty. Teams we're getting burned with Houston running two corner shooters with Amen sitting at the dunker spot (forced teams to have 3 defenders near baseline), two defenders up top for Jalen to break down. Teams got smarter and brought a third defender from the baseline to form somewhat of that Wall that you have to stop Giannis as well. Teams also used double teams as he crossed half court to disrupt his rhythm. His exit interview, he said he would work with trainer locked in a gym from May 1st on during the summer. Specifically working on stamina.
I know you don't believe Green is a good player. You are another one of those types that just rewords the same premise over and over. But that doesn't change the fact you decide to come to a thread where someone made a list based on ts% and got offended when I posted a list on offensive impact based in a thread on just ta% and decided to call my list "shallow" when the entire thread was based on a even more shallow list. You had to change up the entire premise/reason for the thread to make your point. It's called being insincere. People can be biased but biased and insincere? Nah.
I'll take this a step further by adding in the team ranking at 3 PT% at the end. Yes, shooting percentages matter. Look how far the best team TS% and 3PT % went in the playoffs. One thing is crystal clear. None of the teams with the worst shooting percentages even made it to round 1 of the playoffs. We need better shooters or we aren't going anywhere!! Playoffs Round 1 Conf. Semi-Finals Conf. Finals Finals 1 Boston 120.6% - 2 2 Indiana 119.8% - 9 3 Okla City 119.8% - 1 4 Phoenix 119.4% - 5 5 LA Lakers 118.8% - 8 6 Milwaukee 118.8% - 11 7 LA Clippers 118.3% - 6 8 Minnesota 117.2% - 3 9 Dallas 117.0% - 13 10 Golden State 116.3% - 7 11 New Orleans 116.1% - 4 12 Denver 116.1% - 10 13 Sacramento 115.4% - 16 14 Cleveland 115.2% - 15 15 Utah 114.9% - 22 16 Atlanta 114.3% - 17 17 Miami 114.1% - 12 18 Philadelphia 113.8% - 18 19 Orlando 113.7% - 24 20 New York 113.4% - 14 21 Chicago 112.8% - 20 22 Washington 112.6% - 25 23 Toronto 112.4% - 27 24 Houston 112.0% - 23 25 San Antonio 111.9% - 28 26 Detroit 111.5% - 26 27 Brooklyn 111.5% - 19 28 Charlotte 111.3% - 21 29 Memphis 107.8% - 29 30 Portland 107.0% - 30
Who are the best 3pt shooters in the nba that aren’t too old and could be available for trade? Norman Powell (SG) - shot 43% on high volume; 39.5% career. Age 31 and undersized. 2yrs $40 mil left. Luke Kennard (SG) - career 44%. Age 28 with good size. 1yr $15 mil left. Sam Hauser (SF) - 42% Age 26. 1yr $2 mil left.
TS% is the most accurate measurement of shooting efficiency. But, it also needs context. Players playing inside are usually more efficient because their shots are closer to the basket. That's why traditionally, teams with dominant scoring big men win. The change of rules and the heightened 3pt shooting accuracy makes the big man inside scoring less effective. Getting rid of illegal defense makes it easier for defenses to clog the lane and double the big man much quicker. So inside scoring by big men gets fewer opportunities. Teams focus on creating open 3s rather than creating efficient post ups. Basically, you need to look at TS% plus volumes to determine how impactful a player is on scoring points. If you can score 25+ ppg on high TS%, you must be an offensive superstar.
4 of the top 5 were veterans. This is why Stone and the staff believe we’ll get naturally better at shooting efficiency next season because the young core is still learning how to get good looks and stake good/smart quality shots
On the same token, if you score 25+ ppg on a low TS%, said player is actually a detriment to the team, not an asset.
