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Solving Illegal Immigration

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by thumbs, Jun 15, 2018.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    This is what happens.

     
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    So in your mind anyone expressing sympathy for the Palestinians is pro
    Hamas.

    Also do you know if everyone or even most in those protests are even immigrants?
     
  4. Xopher

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    And how many are illegal immigrants? He takes over every thread with his bullshit that doesn't even relate to the thread.
     
  5. deb4rockets

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    Antifa are far left extremists. I don't support any extremists, period. I don't support any hate groups. Period! That's the difference between me and some of the MAGA diehards or far right supporters in here. They ignore far right hate groups, far right extremism and violence, and often defend it. I don't defend or support any extremist groups or hate groups, regardless of which side they fall on the political spectrum. I've said this over and over again!!!
     
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    The innocent 29-year old police officer who got stabbed in the head by the Islamist in Mannheim/Germany has sadly died.

    I don't care if the Afghan Islamist who committed this murder was technically "legally" in Germany or whether he was "illegally" in Germany. He should not have been there at all.

    And this is also relevant to the USA because the exact same kind of violent, intolerant people are entering the USA every day - illegally.
     
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    Do you want to ban all Muslims and deport all Muslims from our country, whether they are violent or not? What's your proposal?

    We also have violent American citizens who assault, shoot, and kill police officers every week that aren't Muslims, and Muslims who have never assaulted or killed anyone.
     
  8. AroundTheWorld

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    This is a good question. No, I don't want to do either.

    But I think that Western societies have to be extremely vigilant when it comes to political Islam, because Islam as a whole does not accept secularity above itself.

    Therefore, under the guise of "freedom of religion", it establishes structures which are ultimately aimed at overthrowing Western constitutional rights and establishing sharia law. Erdogan quoted the "poem":

    The mosques are our barracks,

    The domes our helmets,

    The minarets our bayonets,

    And the faithful our soldiers.

    And he meant what he said, and it proves to be true.

    If you allow the Muslim population to grow into a majority or close to it - even a local majority - you will ultimately have sharia law in your country. You can see this in France.

    So my proposal is to have a differentiated view - Muslims have the same rights as everyone else, but, like everyone else, they must accept the rule of law. Criticizing Islam must be allowed and accepted, just like questioning any other religion or ideology - questioning an ideology is not "racist" or discriminatory. "Islamophobia" is a deliberate misnomer to shield an ideology from criticism (rather than people).

    If you work towards overthrowing the constitutional order, of which establishing sharia law would be an example, you should be subject to deportation, if not a citizen. If you do not accept the rule of law (including rights of women, gays, "apostates" and believers of other faiths or no faith), regardless of your religious beliefs, you cannot become a citizen. If you said you did, but then it turns out you lied, your visa or citizenship rights can be revoked. Same if you support terrorist groups like Hamas, celebrate their actions, etc. If you seek the destruction of a recognized country, like the state of Israel, you should not get a visa or be able to become a citizen.

    This should be true for anyone, not just Muslims. There shouldn't have to be special rules or bans for Muslims. People should be free to have any spiritual beliefs they want, but everyone must respect the rule of law.
     
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    The sheer insanity of trump's "solutions" should be enough to to keep him away from our government...

     
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    It's very sad, all-around. I read somewhere that the police officer who finally shot the attacker had immigrant roots himself, but that doesn't change anything about the fact that the crazy Islamist attacker should never have been there in the first place, and that Islam is a horrible ideology that motivates way too many such attacks.
     
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    There is no way to filter out the good ones from the bad ones, so what's the solution? ENFORCE THE BORDER..... Why is this such a hard topic for woke liberals, you close the border and you make it insanely difficult for everyone to cross......Mass immigration is never good, when you let third world countries invade this is what happens.

     
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    So should the LEO who shot the assailant also not have been allowed in since he had immigrant roots?
     
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    I’m going to point out again your own family got in and was allowed to stay. I’m glad they were.

    My family got in too, legally BTW, and was allowed to stay. We’re both products of mass immigration.
     
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    Never has there been immigration like there is under Biden, I'm not against immigration I'm against open borders. Immigration is impossible to stop and its great and essential for any country but when you open up your borders and welcome everyone.... Everyone comes, the good and the bad. Giving easy access to the criminals will never be good no matter how you try and spin it.
     
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    Yes and we can address this is Congress passes the bills they would increase funding to border security, processing and vetting. A bill has been there for months now.
     
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    Also to add we don’t have open borders. We wouldn’t be discussing apprehensions if we did have open borders.
     
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    The Afghan attacker came to Germany in 2015, as part of a deliberate, invited mass migration caused by the German government's policies, which should not have happened.

    I don't know anything about the LEO, but I assume he or his parents came to Germany legally.

    Your point?
     

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