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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

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  1. AroundTheWorld

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    The Nazi government got wiped out and the Wehrmacht got defeated militarily.
     
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    Right but the vast majority of the Nazis themselves reintegrated into German society. One holocaust does not deserve another. One pogrom does not deserve another.
     
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    Love how the perpetrators try to paint themselves as victims. The only "holocaust" style attack here was committed by Hamas Islamists, and celebrated by a large percentage of the Gazan population (and, sadly, a not insignificant percentage of Muslims in the Middle East and worldwide).

    Hamas started this war with genocidal intent, raping and murdering innocent civilians, and taking hostages. Israel is defending itself.

    As a sidenote, all my Muslim friends I am connected to on Instagram and Facebook - no matter how "Western" or "moderate" they are - are parroting pro-Hamas propaganda. It's crazy how the Muslim/leftist propaganda machine works.
     
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    I don't think you get it. The government of Nazi Germany was wiped out that doesn't mean every German citizen that was Complicit with the Nazi government needed to be wiped out... Same thing With Hamas - It's very likely a whole majority of Gazans Are complicit, But they can be integrated deprogrammed as well-

    Hamas Has no business in any form of leadership or institution processing, considering the camps that they put children through - In addition to the terror that they inflict
     
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    The UN and "UNRWA" have been complicit with Hamas. Albanese is a rabid antisemite.
     
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    Unironically you have spammed this thread and dozens of others with Zionist/Israeli propaganda. Regular people don’t use the term “Pollywood”.

    The global collective are not viewing this as a clash of civilizations or a religious conflict like you and others do. It’s a conflict over existence by two groups who claim the land is theirs and the others are invaders. Israelis have a right to self-defense but not revenge. Palestinians have a right to self-govern but not to harm their neighbors.
     
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    Hamas is an Islamist terrorist entity, supported by religious extremist Mullahs in Iran. Definitely a religious conflict.
     
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    True. Iran is the biggest backer of Hamas. Iran is a Shia run theocracy. Hamas is a Sunni Muslim brotherhood offshoot. But the world does not see either as the figureheads for Islam.
    There approximately 2 billion Muslims globally. Like Christianity (sans Catholicism), there is no universally accepted leader of the global faithful. The Muslims are by and large ordinary people with rigid beliefs about how to function in society based on an Arab Prophets re-interpretation of monotheistic Judaism in the 600s. These are the same types of rules that fundamentalist evangelical Christians want to impose on their secular neighbors (See: Christian Nationalism).

    And the world has realized that Israel despite its on-point messaging is not the figurehead of Judeaism (that was an ironic sentence to write. Would be like saying India is not the figurehead of Hinduism).

    When I think of my Jewish friends, I don’t think Israel is the state the represents them globally. It’s the US.


    When I think of my Muslim friends, I don’t think Palestine represents them, unless they’re immigrants from Palestinian.

    The IDF are Jews and Hamas are Muslims but that does not mean uninvolved people see either of their actions being the representative of their faiths and their faiths do not absolve them of their actions.

     
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    Go IDF! Eradicate Hamas!
     
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    Israel already found dead hostages in Rafah.
    The proof is there and shows that they were smuggled all the way to farthest part of Gaza.

    the people won’t rat out Hamas , that’s not how this deep hatred works
     
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    they keep finding more ammo and guns than a call of duty loot box
     
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    American media doesn’t care about American hostages
    But they need their wnba player back when they get caught doing drugs in Russia
     
  13. Space Ghost

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    You completely pivoted from my point. Yes, there are pro-hamas people just as there were 'insurrectionist'. We should leave these labels to those who self-proclaim as such.

    In the first instance, you state its wrong to assume someone is Pro-Hamas because they criticize some aspect of the discussion. I agree. However you believe you are justified to label anyone who was protesting Jan 6 as insurrectionist. MSM and the left routinely portrayed the protestors as insurrectionist, including the individuals who were only trespassing. But yet, as a biased ref, you refuse to call foul.
     
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    Anyone who committed a crime in an attempt to delay certification of the election results on January 6th is an insurrectionist even if they were only trespassing in the capitol building where the election was to be certified.
     
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    This statement is contradictory.

    In any event, that is not the standard definition of an insurrectionist. People who move the goal post of a definition to fit their narrative is a danger to stable governance.

    This is effectively your logic tree, which can lead to nasty side effects: trespassing where election certifications being held => insurrectionist => insurrection are traitors => traitors are terrorist => terrorist are not subject to Due Process

    Meanwhile, back at the ranch: Definitions of insurrectionist. a person who takes part in an armed rebellion against the constituted authority (especially in the hope of improving conditions) synonyms: freedom fighter, insurgent, rebel.
     
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    So only the first steps of your logic tree fit mine. Mine stops after insurrectionists are traitors. Traitors are not necessarily terrorists.

    There were arms inside the capitol by the insurrectionists on Jan. 6th. Not all were, but they were part of the armed mob. The definition just says they are part of the armed rebellion, not that they carried the arms.
     
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    Name all the weapons used.
     
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    "Hamas started this war"

    Either you have no idea/knowledge about what's been going on in the region for almost a century and you spread lies and propaganda for your anti-Islam agenda, or you know it and still prefer to shamelessly lie about it because you're a genocidal modern day Nazi. Either way, you're the lowest of the low.
     
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    guns and/or firearms, bear spray, bats, batons, poles, shovels, shields, etc. Those are the ones that I know of. There may have been others.
     
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    They wouldn't be dead if a terrorist state wasn't committing war crimes after war crimes and launching attacks on schools, hospitals, and refugee camps for almost a year. Netanyahu wants them dead, and they are dead.
     

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