@Ubiquitin @Nook kids jumping on the truck they thought was carrying aid by mistake after they violently beat the driver for no absolute reason. Cops standing by and doing nothing. Could you imagine in the usa if cops stood by and let parties jump on a crime scene lol Don't worry according to the right wing Israeli asslickers @AroundTheWorld these are only a "small share" of Israel lol even though their security minister supports this. So utterly pathetic
I agree the Palestinian cause has frequently been used by other countries and Hamas has been a proxy for Iran. It’s one of the reasons why this situation has been so difficult too resolve.
The Palestinians have no real choice but to find peace. Three million Jews have immigrated to Israel from Europe/Russia, Middle East, and Africa and now there are 7 million Jewish Israelis. Whether you call them Jewish Israelis or Jewish Palestinians, they chose to live there. In the grand scheme it’s not that many people but it’s not 120 years ago when Zionism was taking root. The conflict is from having two national identities competing to reign supreme over the same semiarid land. The Zionists say the Bible is proof they are the descendants of the Israelites and Hebrews and that this land is theirs by divine right. The Palestinians say wait we have been here farming under the Ottoman yoke and were promised a state from the British for overthrowing the Ottomans. The extreme Zionists see the Palestinians as invaders. The extreme Palestinians see the Jews as invaders.
It’s difficult to give an analogous example to Israel besides maybe Pakistan as they did not have a unified identity before founding but have strong identities now.
There’s something wrong with Palestine before the war You know that Hamas wasn’t using public funds for good because @Ubiquitin @Salvy There were no red lobsters Who the hell would visit them ? there’s the ocean right if I ruled the Palestinians I would make it a seafood destination and make everyone woke for me so I can be the leader like a cartel boss
Less than six months after the signing of the DOP, the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre would strain the Oslo process, leading directly to Hamas' first lethal suicide bombing in Israel, 41 days later. On April 6, a suicide bomber blew up his car at a crowded bus stop in Afula, killing eight Israelis and injuring 34. An additional five Israelis were killed and 30 injured as a Palestinian detonated himself on a bus in Hadera a week later. Hamas claimed responsibility for both attacks. The attacks may have been timed to disrupt negotiations between Israel and PLO on the implementation of the Oslo I Accord. In 1994, Hamas killed around 55 Israelis and injured over 150 in an effort to derail the peace process, stating that these attacks were a part of jihad against Israel's occupation and in retaliation for the Cave of the Patriarchs Massacre. Following the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin, the labor party's recently selected prime minister Shimon Peres' would give the green light for the assassination of Yahya Ayyash, which Avi Shlaim describes as "the greatest mistake of Peres's political career" due to the subsequent rise of suicide attacks. Shortly after this increase in violence and Israeli security concerns, polls would show Likud's Binyamin Netenyahu ahead of Peres for the first time since Rabin's murder. Shlaim describes the role played by the Israeli right during and after the Oslo years, highlighting prime minister Binyamin Netenyahu's "largely successful" attempts to undermine the accords after his election in 1996.
Hamasnomics would totally work if they focused on investing in Red Lobsters, they can also make Subways in the tunnels but still the Subways would only serve Red Lobster. Uber eats would also gained popularity in fear of Biden/Obama drones....
A few points for why I think about this conflict the way I do: Land belongs to no specific people. People live on land. We have been migrating for tens of millennia since the advent of farming. The Bible is an unreliable historical source. Modern Jews are no more related to ancient Jews/Israelis than the modern Greeks are to Ancient Greece, modern Iranians are to Ancient Persia, modern Italians to Rome, or modern Chinese to Ancient China. All have claimed to be direct descendants of those ancient cultures but the claims fall apart with the smallest of scrutiny and the same is true for modern Israelis. People have the right to migrate. In this case, Jews across Europe were excluded from being apart of the states they lived in and were targeted by violence and eventually a holocaust. The Jews created a national identity and used the Bible to justify that they were the descendants of the ancient Israelis and that they too would reform Israel as was promised to them by their God. The Jews faced extermination vs self-determination and the choice is obvious. Palestinians are not invaders. They too have a right of self-determination. Peace is not impossible even at this point in the conflict
If I were a religious Christian or Jew, I would be a Zionist. If I were a religious Muslim, I would be an Islamist. If I were a communist, I would be anti-Zionist. If I were a fascist, I would be anti-Islamist. But I am a secular humanist and see many shades of gray and lots of dead people.
2+ million Arabs are thriving in Israel. Clearly, Jews are tolerant of Arab neighbors. Arabs in Gaza are unwilling to permit Jews to live next to then. That's it. End of story.
It's not impossible- all we needed to see was the example of the child high-fiving the IDF soldier- if we can change the hate indoctrination largely in Gaza and have some common sense approach by Israel as it relates to the West Bank then in time Gazans can change as well - but first Gazans need to stop the Islamic radicalism that they "love death the way Israelis love life" - no religion needs to be radicalized - it's ok to think differently but at least have something in common and the main thing is refuting the gazan government as it is - that's why Hamas must be eliminated and a government that is completely opposite of Hamas is acceptable on assurances that Oct 7 will not be repeated- after that happens I will be as pro Palestine as anyone but the above must be absolute
Hamas is funded by Qatar (sanction by Netanyahu of all people), Iran, and Turkey with private donations from citizens throughout the Middle East as well as revenue from crypto currency. Hamas is also welcomed in Russia. I do not know of a single Western country however that permits contributing to Hamas.
There are numerous videos in this thread showing that's not true either. Arabs being evicted and having their homes bulldozed. Aid for Arabs being stopped. Arabs being killed and injured by settlers. I think your average Palestinian and average Israeli at this point just want to be left alone.
