Many including Jews have applied that to anti Islamic rhetoric and hate crimes that have targeted Muslims especially following 911.
You are an anecdote guy. Anecdotes move you. What are your thoughts on the 6 year old Muslim kid getting stabbed to death by their landlord because he was Palestinian? Is this anecdote not being wrapped in a tweet and spammed on your algorithmic feed make the anecdote less relevant?
Again, you try and minimize the deaths of the aid workers at the hands of the IDF. Their deaths could have been prevented even as the IDF continued their military offensive. It isn't just 7 aid workers that have died. It is close to 200. These have received the most attention. The sad thing is that it took this long. But the whole premise you and the idiot Xitter person are putting forward is overly fatalistic and false. Demanding your allies take care not to kill innocent aid workers isn't stabbing them in the back. I would put forward it is being a good ally and helpful to Israel. 1. As support for Israel strengthened or lessened since they killed the aid workers? Taking care not to kill aid workers would serve to further prevent further erosion of their mission from around the world. Most importantly - 2. It is the right and just thing to do.
They came first for Israel, and I did not get involved because it's not my problem. Then they came for me, and so we killed them all and put the rest in jail. Spoiler
For the record, I care about: * all the original horrific murders carried out by Hamas. I supported Israel going after them. * an ongoing war that's wracked up tens of thousands of intentional and unintentional deaths, far too many of innocents * the deaths of peaceful aid workers * the deaths of any and all children, even children of Hamas of course * the fact that as Israel keeps going, they are just breeding more Hamas and basically recruiting for radical Islam (not that they need any help there, by the numbers, sigh) * and finally, care about writing this far-right, heavy-handed, death-dealing Israeli government a blank check with my tax dollars. I'd prefer Israel get less of my tax $ right about now, without a drastically reconsidered approach to -- at minimum -- civilian casualties / starvation.
I think your analysis is also lacking. Go to any Muslim majority country like Bangaldesh and Pakistan. You'll notice something. The more well off an area is like a upper class high rise neighborhood in Dhaka, the more often you'll see stuff like women in western style clothing without any head coverings, the more likely you will see people not caring about missing prayer. The more secular and unimportant Islam is to their daily lives. Now the more poor and rural you go the more you'll see strict adherence to traditional Islamic practices. The more ubiquitous head coverings are. The more Islam is part of their daily lives. So no, it takes work to create fundamentalist. Usually the work is in suppressing the Maslow hierarchy of needs of a group of people. Radicalization is purely a product of Maslow hierarchy of needs not being met. Your rhetoric is what makes people assume there is more inherent evil amongst Palestinians that can't be helped because "get they Muslim, so they are by default a bit more evil".
(1) Yes, I spent 2 minutes sharing broad strokes on a BBS mainly to diffuse the "liberals care more about X than Y," which is complete horseshit. (2) My rhetoric is not making people do anything. I'm inconsequential. But I'm also sick of the calculus that only the heirarchy of needs causes bad behavior. Universities have spread this like gospel, but it's counter-evidential, even while it has the feels going for it. We have ample evidence that human beings do horrible things, often in the names of irrational things like religion, even when well fed, well rested, and well funded. Yes, needy people are much more likely to embrace bad ideas. Of course. That's not the whole story. Cheers. I'm signing out and didn't mean to sign into the thread. This is just more liberals-eat-their-own crap, in my view. Like, we all have to have exactly the same beliefs, about everything, or heated argument ensues. We need to keep our eyes on the bigger aims.
Humans do horrible things because they either are trying to horde power and wealth and post hoc justify it with religion or have had damaged childhoods where their hierarchy of needs aren't met where they are more prone to radicalization. I've given you a pattern that is grounded in reality form you to at least consider.... the pattern of religious adherence having a strong correlation with wealth and upbringing where hierarchy of needs are met. Look at the most wealthy Muslim and Christian leaders on the planet. The odds of sincerity in their beliefs rather than using religion as a wealth producing endeavor are quite low. The wealthier you are in Saudi Arabia the more likely you are to not attend jummah or pray five times a day or abstain from alcohol or abstain from pre maritial relations. Often powerful men will use religion in a bad faith manner to keep the patriarchal hierarchy to satisfy their libido. So basically the wealthy religious people aren't sincere and are grifters and the poor extremists are more likely to be damaged humans who dream that their lot is life they are given isn't the only thing attached to their existence with hope that there is something more.
I just think you are a bad person if you think Palestinians are inherently irrational because of religion. That's basically my take. Like I don't respect you as an individual because it shows a lack of basic empathy skills in your part.
What? Are you using "you" in the general larger sense of the word or addressing it specifically to the poster you mentioned? The former makes sense, the latter seems unrelated to the post you quoted.
What part of what he writes suggests Palestinians are inherently irrational? Ideology, religious or not, can lead people to irrational choices. As can desperation and hopelessness. I don’t think empathy demands we suspend recognizing choices or positions that are irrational — i.e., ultimately counter to their own interests.
The radicalization of Palestinians is 100% a product of oppression, not some innate trait of Palestinians.
