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Jalen Green will be the Rockets' Numero Uno

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kpdark, Jan 2, 2024.

  1. napalm06

    napalm06 Huge Flopping Fan

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    *Qualified excitement

    It's a great accolade and hopefully it builds his motivation.

    Enjoy arguing in circles about "haters" and "offending" until the Rockets make the playoffs. As a fan I want this franchise to have success and I trust nothing Fertitta does. So I won't be manic about whatever extension Jalen gets. Sorry, happy to be wrong. May he become the next Kobe.

    Fun fact: Rockets Legend Steve Francis was an NBA player of the week 4 times as a Rocket. Didn't win very many playoff series. Then there was McGrady. Then Harden. Forgive Rocket fans for being jaded about non-playoff accolades with scoring guards. We've lived a cursed life for 30 years.

    But for now, applause. Keep it up young fella. Let's get Adams, Tari and some other dawgs in there next season and keep up the intensity.
     
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    Steve Francis was in college at the age Green was during his third year in the NBA.
     
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    I don’t even really need to sit here and debate the efficiency numbers. It’s just watching the games.

    Offensive efficiency had gone from bad to worse over the last 2.5 years. Everything else was markedly improved this year. Now the offense is catching up.


    If you can’t SEE the player has evolved, then your being obtuse.

    Im predicting his next 80 games look something like

    24 ppg
    4.5 asst
    4.5 rbd

    83% FT
    36% 3pt
    45% 2pt FG

    I also firmly believe he is going to begin drawing free throws, and a higher rate pretty soon. I do think that he gets screwed over regularly here.
     
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  4. PhiSlammaJamma

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    The Greatest Shooting Guards of All Time:
    3 point percentage career:

    Michael Jordan: 32.7
    Kobe Bryant: 32.9
    Clyde Drexler: 31.8
    Dwayne Wade: 29.3
    Reggie Miller: 39.5
    Ray Allen: 40.0
    James Harden: 36.5
    George Gervin: 27.1
    Jalen Green: 33.4

    Three point percentage means very little to me. It doesn't make or break an all-time great shooting guard.
     
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  5. jordnnnn

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    For his career MJ took 1.7 3s per game. Kobe took 1.4 per game. Drexler 2.4. Wade 1.8. Gervin 0.6….

    Green is taking 7.0 per game.

    Three point percentage means a lot the more you take.
     
  6. kingkingston

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    Jordan hit them when he needed them. Look at the 3 seasons where MJ averaged 3 or more attempts a game. 37 per cent or better
     
  7. PhiSlammaJamma

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    And hitting a higher percentage. Point is, it doesn't matter. It shouldn't even be part of the debate.
     
  8. BigMaloe

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    I don't think you understand the context and conversation we were having.
     
  9. PhiSlammaJamma

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    Prime Jordan. Year 6. Age 28. At the same age as Green, Jordan was shooting 17%.
     
  10. jordnnnn

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    lol uh what? Jalen is one of the higher volume 3 point shooters in the league. It is absolutely a problem if he doesn’t improve from 3 if he’s going to take so many of them.

    Comparing him to all those guys who took 1-2 per game in eras where the 3 point shot wasn’t even remotely close to being utilized as it is today is apples to oranges.
     
  11. PhiSlammaJamma

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    Thats how you compare eras. Percentages. That's literally apples to apples. Green is as good a 3 point shooter as the greats. It's irrelevant to his ultimate success as a shooting guard.
     
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    No that’s not how you compare eras.

    During Jordan’s career the league wide 3FG% was 34.0%
    During Jalens career the league wide 3FG% is 36.0%

    For his career Jordan took 22.9 shots per game, only 1.7 of which were 3s. That’s only ~7.5% of all of his field goal attempts that were 3s.
    For his career Jalen takes 16.0 shots per game and 7.0 of those are 3s. ~44% of all his shot attempts are 3s.

    Two wildly different shot profiles. It is a much bigger deal for Jalen than it was for Jordan because Jordan barely utilized the 3 point shot during his career.
     
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  13. PhiSlammaJamma

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    We aren't comparing league wide. We are comparing the legends to Green. Right? Percentage is what matters. It always has. There is no era adjustment that impacts the percentage. It's the same shot,
     
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    I totally understood. I was joking, but didnt execute funniness. To show I understand

    - The 3 offensive rebounds example, converted to a bucket counts as 1 possession. Which helps the points per possesion average. But we know thats a messy cumbersome way of constricting it to "1 possession" on paper. Make it the first time. Option 2 is superior

    - As an aside, I was joking how there absurdly was an old article justifying that 1st clunky option for Kobe. That its a "good part" of the Kobe Bryant arsenal. Then further joking how that Kobe science can be used by people to protect Jalen Green's inefficient bad shot misses
     
  15. daywalker02

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    We might as well cease comparing random players to historic players ........haha

    Greatness is thrown around here like KPJ throwing objects at assistant coaches.....

     
  16. daywalker02

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    Teams were scoring in the 80 points per games or 90 pts per games lol... 3 point was just a gimmick back then.

    Back then they treated the midrange like it was a corner three.
     
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    Players can have poor inefficient games and still win games although not ideal. Feel like green gets judge with a different standard by the haters even if he's playing team ball and improving many aspects of his game.

    Year 1 green is a different player compared to year 3 green but most folks can only focus on box score watching/stats instead of watching him play. Didn't Factor in the incompetent silas and pg kpj either.

    I get folks being wary of green due 2 his inconsistency but the progress is there and might pay off if we are patient enough
     
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  18. kingkingston

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    how many fga's did Jordan shoot?
     
  19. Darth_Kenobi

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    of course i dont dare compare him with MJ. but that lay up reminded me this classic.
    this kid has insane athleticism. i hope he gets same basketball IQ with MJ at some point in his career...
     
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  20. PhiSlammaJamma

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    If one wants to debate shot profile, instead of 3 pt FG %, that's a different debate.

    And what I would say to that debate is that the only shooting guard in today's current era, with the current shot profile, that qualify as one of greatest of all time is James Harden. So the current shot profile for shooting guard as described has not led to any results. And for quite some time. No Great shooting guards have emerged. If one wants to argue Jalen Green should take more 2's, I can actually agree with that. But that just underlines the point I was making which is that Green's 3 pt FG% is irrelevant to achieving greatness. He doesn't need to be a great 3 point percentage shooter to achieve greatness.
     
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