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  1. astros123

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    Your ukraine takes are so utterly pathetic seriously. Ive never seen someone as braindead as you when it comes to ukraine. If it helps you sleep at night you can keep calling everyone a war monger but the reality is that the only war monger is Putin himself. Before the war started every single country in the west was willing to make concesions and Biden even offered to write in writing that USA would veto any NATO talk about Putin but he refused the offer. Putins offer was that he would only not invade ukraine if the USA withdrew all of its mliitary assets in eastern european countries including those of nato countries like Romania.

    Calling everyone else a war monger just makes you lose all credibility and makes you look like a dipshit loser @Space Ghost . Facts hurt
     
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    Let's do, Putin is crumbling, his country is weak, his military is weak, the time to move is now.

    DD
     
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    A cornered and desperate dog is unpredictable...
     
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    I have been warning as much for nearly two years. time is on the Russians' side. Had Biden given them the weapons they asked for from the beginning, they might have had a chance.
     
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  6. Space Ghost

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    What so few realize is that Ukraine/West is fighting the war Russia prefers. Russia has the infrastructure in place to continuously feed the front line with almost no interruption. On top of that, Russia is able to utilized cheap munitions. They are not using state of the art military equipment that takes months to build. Russia is zerging their way through this. Historically this has been Russias strong point and it's working well now.

    Where as Ukraine has to beg and plead, import their munitions while sending it through treacherous supply chains and distribution to the front lines.

    Ultimately the Wests response to this invasion has been piss poor and now they very well may need to concede Kiev.
     
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  7. basso

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    but I was told Biden''s handling of Ukraine has been "masterful."
     
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  8. No Worries

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    Having support earlier would have certainly affected the battlefield at the start. Ukraine at best could have driven the Russian troops back into Russia and reclaimed their 2014 borders.

    But ...

    Like you said, time is on Russia's side. Russia has both a man power and equipment advantage. Russia also appears to not care what their losses are; they just keep coming. I do not know what conditions would drive the Russians to peace talks. If Ukraine can hang on another two years or so, the Russians might run out of tanks and other equipment. I am unsure that would stop the Russians ... just slow them down.
     
  9. basso

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    in other words, they could have won.
     
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    Temporarily.
     
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    pushed Russia out, brought NATO in. sounds like a win to me.
     
  12. astros123

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    You're a sorry sack of poop. The idea that somehow if we were given them more weapons and Russia retaliated in a way by testing a nuke or something you dipshits would blame biden for war mongering. None of you morons would've been happy with anything Biden would've done. @Space Ghost you're whinning all day here and we havnt even given them any major offensive weapons. If ukraine had misused something and caused Russia to escalate you folks would've jumped on biden. Lose lose

    The reality is ukraine was holding its own and was stopping Russia from taking more land. The stalemate was 100x better than what's happening now which is Russia taking more land due to no ammo which is solely bcz of trump.

    Ukraine refused to share any info about its army before the war and the first few months of the war. They didn't trust the Americans and thought they would leak the info to the Russians.

    The pentagon repeatedly said Ukraine wasn't in a position to train large swamps of its army cuz it wasn't prepared for the invasion. Before the invasion Zelenskys people called biden a war monger and they refused to organize their military for an invasion.

    I don't understand why people lie and spin misinformation so much.
     
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  13. DaDakota

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    His leadership will hand him over.

    DD
     
  14. astros123

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    The United States gave away all of its ancient equipment and was able to wipe off 300k dead Russians and set them back for a decade. Ukraine was firmly holding their ground before trump got involved and demanded to stop giving them aid.

    You anti ukraine folks just spew lies all day and live in another universe. Russia was coming to the table for negotiations before trump got involved
     
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    These right wing donkeys @basso think they can deflect the blame onto biden for russia taking terroritory. The only reason why ukraine is running out of ammo right now is because trump demanded speake johnson not bring the bill for a vote. It has the votes to pass but trump has demanded it not get voted on and these right wing dipshits @basso think they can spin it as somehow biden is at fault here.

    The only people responsible for ukraine losing are the MAGA dipshits
     
  16. Space Ghost

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    I don't celebrate 300k deaths. That is despicable.
    I am not anti Ukraine. You clearly don't understand my position. Stop assuming
     
  17. astros123

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    You have repeatedly tried spinning this narrative on the forums that Russia invaded cuz nato enlargement cuz your hero David sacks has spun that. Putin said on phone to macron the bigger issue is putin doesn't think ukraine should exist. He said thus in his speech before invasion and he told tucker carlson this as well.

    Your talking points are all based on disinformation and conspiracies
     
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  18. Ubiquitin

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    Double posting.
    Let’s ****ing go

     
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  19. basso

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    Kutuzov faints.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    That is why you put that dog down ASAP.

    DD
     

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