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  1. percicles

    percicles Member

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    I see why we have an interest in Azeez. Based on those numbers Demeco must see something in Luvu cuz they’re nothing special. Maybe turning him into a pass rushing DE idk.
     
  2. Icehouse

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    3-peat if they get another receiving threat.
     
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  3. houstonstime

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    Fantasy flopped I assume. Haha.
     
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  4. houstonstime

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    Sometimes you gotta make big moves.
     
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    The bold are usualy the most successful.

    I think some are scared the Texans might fall back into the abyss if they spend money on top tier FA's.
     
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    The whole point of having a lot of cap space is so they don't have to bargain hunt each and every signing.
     
  7. javal_lon

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    They'll lose more fans being scared than going for it and flaming out IMO. At least they'll lose me anyway
     
  8. eliefor3

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    I keep having to remind myself of this
     
  9. Rudyc281

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    Split the cost on Wilkins he isn’t worth top 5 DT money

    If people want to get cheap on saquan then they should want to get cheap and not make Wilkins one of the highest paid DTs.

    And we should split whatever he would cost into 2 or possibly 3 players
     
  10. rfrocket

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    Man I gotta admit I'm bummed.
    I know it would have been a LOT of money and a risk BUT it would have been the best way to make our defense much more menacing AND weaken the team that looks to be our biggest obstacle to a world championship!

    If KC gets a dynamic receiver in the draft/FA they will be tougher than ever to beat!
     
  11. tmacfor35

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    Travis Kelce has been losing steam. He is truly an elite weapon and nothing guarantees that any WR they pick will be good.
     
  12. TEXNIFICENT

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    It’s a pretty deep class of WRs this year and they could use multiple picks to just hit once. With Mahomes that’s all you need.
     
  13. rfrocket

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    Notice I said "IF" they get one so what you said really didn't address what I said at all.
    For what Kelce does best, which is win with short area quickness, moves and being in sync with Mahomes I have a feeling he will be plenty potent for another year.

    And as to whether or not they "hit" on a wideout in the draft I think one of the best things they have going for them is their GM!
    They have hit on multiple day 2 and 3 picks and i trust his eye MUCH more than I do Caserio's!

    Again we could have weakened our BIGGEST threat to the title and we will STILL have to contend with Jones going up against the middle of our oline in any playoff game!

    I sure hope we "hit" on a great pass rusher because getting "close" to Mahomes does nothing with his movement skills.
     
  14. TheRealist137

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    DT is our biggest need. Pay Wilkins and then go bargain hunting in a deep FA class at other positions
     
  15. J.R.

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    https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/in...st-buzz-news-rumors-signings-contracts-trades

    Star DTs set for big money?

    Graziano: After Chris Jones landed a big deal on Saturday night, Miami's Christian Wilkins is likely to be a hot name, with contending teams such as the Texans and Lions looking to upgrade at that position. Other defensive tackles people around the league believe could land nice deals include the Colts' Grover Stewart, the Seahawks' Leonard Williams and Bengals run-stuffer DJ Reader. Jones' five-year deal and the four-year, $98 million deal the Ravens gave Madubuike on Friday night are only going to help the defensive tackles at the top of the market get paid.

    Fowler: Wilkins' market is heating up after Miami opted against the franchise tag. Expect at least seven teams to pursue him. The Brian Flores connection in Minnesota is one to watch, but Houston and Cleveland could take swings, too.

    And the Seahawks are expected to ramp up their efforts to re-sign Williams, who played well coming off last year's trade. Getting something done before Monday would be optimal for Seattle.

    Good market for Hunter?

    Graziano: I expect Vikings edge rusher Danielle Hunter to hit the market and do very well. His benchmark is probably the deal the Bears gave Montez Sweat after acquiring him at the trade deadline last year. Coincidentally, Sweat and Hunter are represented by the same agency, so they know how to do a deal like this.

    Though not specifically for Hunter, the Seahawks, Colts and Commanders are three of the likely many teams expected to be active in the edge rusher market.

    Big cap concerns for the Chargers?

    Graziano:
    There is big Chargers news coming between now and 4 p.m. ET on Wednesday. The question is exactly what that news will be. The Chargers have four key veterans with cap numbers in excess of $32 million: edge rushers Joey Bosa and Khalil Mack, and wide receivers Keenan Allen and Mike Williams. Currently projected to be $21 million over the cap, they have to do something, and it's unlikely they can keep all four of those guys on the team.

    Allen is a lifelong Charger -- a third-round pick from 2013 who has never played anywhere else -- and it's unlikely L.A. moves on from him. He has one year left on his contract and a $5 million roster bonus due on the fifth day of the 2024 league year, so the Chargers could look to extend him and find some cap savings that way. They'd love to find trade partners for Mack or Williams, but they'd each carry big numbers for the acquiring teams ($23.25 million for the 33-year-old Mack and $20 million for Williams). Bosa, who is still only 28 and signed through 2025, would cost an acquiring team a total of $47.36 million over the next two years and therefore could be easier to trade. But for the same reasons, he's likely the one the Chargers would prefer to keep from the Bosa/Mack/Williams group.

    Be on the lookout for news on pay cuts and/or outright releases involving some of these guys. The Chargers and every other team have to be under the cap by the start of the league year.

    Fowler: Multiple teams believe the Chargers are willing to part with several big-money players, including Mack, Bosa and Williams. Trading all three seems like a stretch, but as Dan pointed out, some of those cap hits are untenable, so they must do something. It's worth noting that Williams plans to be ready for training camp coming off an ACL injury.

    Ravens following Macdonald?

    Graziano: I've heard a lot of speculation about which (if any) Ravens defensive free agents could follow former Baltimore defensive coordinator Mike Macdonald to Seattle now that he's the head coach of the Seahawks. In order of likelihood, based on conversations with my sources, I'd rank them as follows in terms of chances to land in Seattle:

    1. Patrick Queen, LB
    2. Jadeveon Clowney, DE
    3. Geno Stone, S

    Packers in the safety market?

    Fowler: Green Bay is considered a threat in the safety market. It wouldn't be a shock if the Packers comb the Xavier McKinney and Kamren Curl markets, depending on the price point. Recently released safety Quandre Diggs could also be an option.

    WR-needy teams looking to Ridley?

    Fowler: Expect the Patriots to swing big on receiver Calvin Ridley. The Jaguars are very interested in keeping Ridley but haven't been able to close the deal.

    The Patriots were in on Jerry Jeudy before the receiver was traded to Cleveland, but they wanted to wait until free agency before committing to a receiver, likely because they have their eyes on a few.

    Graziano: The Panthers are on the hunt for a No. 1 wide receiver, so if -- and I say if -- Tee Higgins or Michael Pittman Jr. ends up available in a trade, they'd likely be involved. I expect them to at least look into Ridley as well, should he hit the market.

    Any more trades coming?

    Fowler: Trade names are percolating, and we already saw Jeudy get dealt to Cleveland on Saturday after Denver fielded calls from several interested teams, per sources. The Cowboys are exploring all options with receiver Michael Gallup, including a potential trade. The Panthers could be one to watch here. Teams have also told me that the Buccaneers are open to potentially parting with either of their starting corners, Carlton Davis III or Jamel Dean.

    Will running backs get paid?

    Fowler: In running back news, Derrick Henry is unlikely to return to Tennessee, essentially ending a historic eight-year run there. Baltimore has been linked to him. Then there are some people in the league who believe the Cowboys will pursue Saquon Barkley. We shall see on that. The Giants are still in the mix on a potential re-sign but are also looking at other options, such as Tony Pollard and Austin Ekeler. I'm also told a Josh Jacobs return to Las Vegas is not off the table.

    The running back position will be fascinating because we have several star players available, but who jumps out first with a deal? And will that help or hurt the rest of the group? That's why it wouldn't be a shock if everyone waits a bit until one of the top guys has a surefire good contract.

    Who is under the radar?

    Fowler:
    I outlined a few under-the-radar names I've heard leading up to free agency last week coming out of the combine, but here are a few more sneaky good free agents (not household names but players who could do better than expected to varying degrees):

    Safeties Alohi Gilman (scouts called him a pleasant surprise) and Micah Hyde (he can still make an impact at 33 years old)

    Guards Damien Lewis and John Simpson (good interior offensive line play will get you paid)

    Pass-rushers Denico Autry (the tape is still really good despite him being 34 years old), Jadeveon Clowney (he usually waits to sign but might go off the board faster after a 9.5-sack season) and Josh Uche (he has speed and is good on third down).

    Defensive tackles Grover Stewart, Sheldon Rankins, DJ Reader and Justin Jones (many teams are looking for run-stopping and explosion inside)

    Wide receiver Noah Brown (he can still run well, averaging 17.2 yards per catch in 2023)

    Offensive tackle Jermaine Eluemunor (it's a soft OT market, and he can play both tackle spots and is good in pass protection)

    Cornerbacks Chidobe Awuzie (experienced and still just 28) and Darious Williams (4 INTs and 19 pass breakups in 2023)

    Slot cornerback Kenny Moore II (an Indy re-sign feels possible, though)

    Running backs D'Andre Swift (he's coming off a great season and is only 25) and Zack Moss (he's a good option for teams that don't want to spend for top RBs)
     
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  16. J.R.

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    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39687846/nfl-scouts-executives-predict-saquon-barkley-next-deal

    The general consensus from more than a dozen general managers, executives, coaches, scouts and agents surveyed at the combine was that Barkley's worth is in the range of $10 million per year as a free agent.

    One general manager thought the running back market would crater for a second straight year and be in the $8 million range, while an agent with recent experience with a running back thought Barkley's name value would get him $12-14 million per season. Those were the high and low estimates, but most thought somewhere around three years and $30 million.

    "He'll be fighting with [Josh] Jacobs and [Derrick] Henry to be the top-paid running back [in free agency]," an executive said.

    The Giants' offensive line ranked 31st in run block win rate last season, just 0.1% ahead of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for the bottom spot.

    "If he was in San Francisco, he would be Christian McCaffrey," one pro personnel director said. "He hasn't had an offensive line, ever, in New York."

    The Los Angeles Chargers, Baltimore Ravens and Chicago Bears are believed to be serious suitors. The rival Philadelphia Eagles and Dallas Cowboys have interest, but aren't expected to reach Barkley's price point. Still, they shouldn't be completely counted out because they are, at the very least, involved.

    The Houston Texans are also rumored to have interest.

    If Barkley does receive an offer in the $10 million range, it doesn't seem that the Giants would be willing to match, even if they're provided the opportunity.

    "They just don't see the value in investing $10 million in a running back," according to a league source.
     
  17. justtxyank

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    Disruptive interior play on the dline is hard to find and insanely valuable. That’s why they get paid.
     
  18. Rudyc281

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    It will be quick
     
  19. red5rocket

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    Probably because the deal is already done but can’t be announced for obvious reasons
     
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  20. percicles

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    Bosa and Mack are both very likely to get released. No ones is gonna trade draft capital for them when all the GMs know the Chargers need to get under the cap.

    Bosa is the definition of injury prone but good when healthy. He ain’t getting $15 mil a year like the Chargers did. He could be a nice cheap pick up if used in a rotational DE platoon.

    Mack is 33yrs old and coming off a 17 sack season. Plus he hasn’t missed a game in TWO seasons. He would be a fantastic short term pick up and relatively cheap. Plus he could mentor WAjr and any young DE we might pick in the draft. He’s only been to the playoffs 4x each with exits in the WC round. He might also be looking for a legit contender to add to his HoF resume.

    Either would be intriguing additions.
     

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