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Why does the Rockets media & blogs need to baby Alperen Sengun?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by rocketchamp, Feb 29, 2024.

  1. backwardhead

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    I think it's called the "One @55hole Rule." Everyone organizational team unconsciously identifies one @55hole. That said, I think it's you...just kidding :).

    Truth is I'm not sure it excludes the @55hole choosing themself as part of the organization. Because it's an unconscious choice I think it's possible Jalen unconsciously new it was himself.
     
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    You mad bro
     
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  3. rocketchamp

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    Is this Jalen's fault???

     
  4. rocketchamp

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    Not really. I'd say Jabari & Amen are our too most promising prospects. Still haven't given up on Jalen & Cam might be the best out of everyone. Babying a center just because he can score 2ft from the rim is counter productive. We have players with more to offer than Sengun
     
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    I am so glad I took the OP off ignore. He is pure comedy gold.
     
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  6. harold bingo

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    I think you need to reevaluate your definition of excuse. This isn't an excuse. You're just seeing what you want to see.

    Sengun was awesome at the start of the season. Then he got a ltitle worse, then he got a lot worse. He's on the rockets, so it's reasonable for us to discuss this and speculate why. "Maybe he's tired" is not an excuse, it's actually the opposite of an excuse, it's putting the blame on him. His conditioning is his responsibility and if he can't hold up for an 82 game season then that's on him.
     
  7. Williamson

    Williamson JOSH CHRISTOPHER ONLY FAN

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    Sengun has definitely fallen off some. I suspect it's some combination of opposing teams improving their game plan for him, fatigue, and a loss of enthusiasm by the whole team as their expectations fall down to earth. It's disappointing though. I can live with us not making the play-in, but it would be a lot easier if Sengun, Jabari, Amen and Cam continued to impress and improve (I'm not including Tari since he isn't playing).
     
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    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    you ain’t gonna replace JayGup bruh. He does not know you
     
  9. harold bingo

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    I think this is pretty much it, a combination of a lot of things. I think he responds very poorly to double and triple teams. I posted this elsewhere but people can't double team you unless it works. There are players who are smart enough and read the situation quickly enough that they cannot be double teamed because they always make you pay. Sengun is not that guy, at least not yet. He has to improve here.

    I think the fatigue thing is definitely real, isn't the turkish league season like 30 games? And they play like two games a week? The 82 game season is really tough for a lot of players to get acclimated to. For a guy like Sengun who had questions surrounding his conditioning, I think this is a problem for him. This is his first season as a starter, he's got the highest usage on the team, he's running around setting multiple screens on every possession, running tons of isolation, it's a lot. It definitely seems like his conditioning is not as good as it needs to be.
     
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  10. Clutch

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    What happens is a firm conclusion is made first:

    Player X is the best, an absolute superstar, a franchise cornerstone, etc etc

    Everything else is framed around that. They are set in that view. They want it to be true and eventually need it to be true because they've repeated it so much. So when the on-court output from that player doesn't match what they've already concluded, everyone and everything else is to blame because ... it can't be a problem with Player X, he's a superstar and we already know that!
     
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  11. rocketchamp

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    You're still babying him. You wanted the ball in his hands & the offense to go through him, well here you have it and you're still pointing fingers. You just spent all of last season crying about Silas & KPJ, this year its Jalen, now it's the whole team. All for a player who can't score outside of 2ft, no midrange, no defense & can't shoot free throws. His teammates make up for everything by covering for him on defense, it balances out
     
  12. rocketchamp

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    Thanks Clutch. But please remind Jackson, Frank & Roosh this. They've been the main proponents of putting Sengun on a undeserved pedestal, bashing everyone else & now it's blame everybody but Sengun for HIS poor play. All 3 look ridiculous right now
     
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  13. rocketchamp

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    It's definitely a excuse. Jalen's the only starter that hasn't missed ANY games this season. Why couldn't he be tired? This could apply to anybody lol. Plus Senguns had rest & didn't play several 4th quarters by Ime.

    This the definition of babying!!
     
  14. harold bingo

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    I think you just have poor reading comprehension skills. Did you even read the rest of my post? I am laying 100% of the blame on Sengun. There's no deflection, no babying, no nothing. It's his job to be in good shape and have the level of conditioning to play 35 minutes in 82 games. If he can't handle it, he is to blame. It's nobody's fault but his own. This is just an explanation of what is happening, it's not an excuse, and she shouldn't be excused for it.

    So yeah, you're right, Jalen could be tired too. And if Jalen is too tired to play well then it's his fault. He should be blamed for that, same as Sengun, same as anyone. It's pretty simple.
     
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    Now watch carefully Nursif being physical with Sengun. Nothing here is his teammates fault. He's just getting outmuscled
     
  16. topfive

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    Let's take this concept to its logical conclusion, which leaves us where we are today...

    We started off strong as a team and were near .500 after a couple of months, largely due to a schedule loaded with home games. Once we got to the mostly-road-games part of the schedule, those losses began piling up. We're just 7-18 since we started that long road trip on January 8. So the grind of life on the road, the physical toll of the season wearing on, and the emotional toll of losing so much, all combine to leave our players worn down.

    And it's the young guys playing the most minutes who are the most worn. I'm looking specifically at Alperen, Jalen, and Jabari, all three of whom have played more than twice the minutes that Amen has, and over three times as many as Cam and Tari.

    We have a team that's heavily dependent on young guys who haven't fully adapted to NBA life yet, and they're playing accordingly. Like I've been preaching for a while, this will come in time. We weren't supposed to be very good this year.
     
  17. rocketchamp

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    Great point
     
  18. harold bingo

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    I was thinking about this for a while and I think a big part of it is that we as rockets fans prop up and overrate Sengun as a coping mechanism, because the alternative is pretty bleak, isn't it? Lets just assume hypothetically that Sengun isn't that guy, not a franchise player, not an all star, or however you want to call it. If that's true then what's the future of this team? What can we even be hopeful about? We invested heavily in KPJ and he's out of the league. Jalen is a bust. Most of our other guys look like they could be solid roleplayers. I guess we can pray for the 1 in a million chance that Amen learns how to shoot? His ceiling is pretty low if he doesn't, and history tells us that guys who can't make free throws typically don't ever turn into shooters. Or we can pray for another generational fleecing via trade? Do we think Stone is going to pull off a Harden-esque trade? Honestly if Sengun sucks, things are pretty grim.
     
  19. Williamson

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    WTF are you talking about? I never cried about Silas or KPJ. I didn't care that Silas sucked because we were tanking anyway. And, really, I still think he had bad luck. I'm not sure that he's a good coach, but he came here to coach Harden and Westbrook and got a bunch of teenagers and Christian Wood instead. I still suspect that he's at least a better coach than he appeared to be here. I actually liked KPJ and was rooting for him right up until he assaulted his girlfriend. And I didn't point any fingers here. I am also not quite sure how saying Sengun has "fallen off" is babying him either. But whatever. Carry on.
     
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  20. AlperenSengun

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    Wrong thread! Delete.
     

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