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  1. NewRoxFan

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  2. Rocket River

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    Indecision in this current case

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  3. Xopher

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    I don't believe in government sanctioned gay marriage. I don't believe in government sanctioned opposite sex marriage. Marriage in its simplest form, to the government, is a contract. The problem is the governments started issuing marriage licenses instead of Civil Union licenses from the very beginning. Let individual churches/religions determine if they want to let certain groups get "married" under their terms.

    TL;DR: Everyone should just be issued civil union licenses.
     
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    Clanton: I HATE black people...

    Thomas: Me too!
     
  5. NewRoxFan

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    kavanaugh is LOL...

     
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    How do I donate to your campaign?
     
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    Damn...

    Hmmm...

     
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    I can agree with that and that was Obama’s position in 2008. That said many in the right were even resisting that.
     
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  10. Space Ghost

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    The ultra far right supreme court unanimously voted .... a win for democracy today.

     
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    Something we can finally agree on...

    Supreme Court rules states can't kick Trump off ballot

    WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Monday handed a sweeping win to former President Donald Trump by ruling states cannot kick him off the ballot over his actions leading up to the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol — bringing a swift end to a case with huge implications for the 2024 election.

    The court in an unsigned ruling with no dissents reversed the Colorado Supreme Court, which determined that Trump could not serve again as president under section 3 of the Constitution's 14th Amendment.


    The court said the Colorado Supreme Court had wrongly assumed that states can determine whether a presidential candidate is ineligible under a provision of the Constitution’s 14th Amendment.

    The ruling makes it clear that Congress, not states, has to set rules on how the 14th Amendment provision can be enforced. As such the decision applies to all states, not just Colorado.

    "Because the Constitution makes Congress, rather than the states, responsible for enforcing section 3 against all federal officeholders and candidates, we reverse," the ruling said.

    The decision comes just a day before the Colorado primary.

    Minutes after the ruling, Trump hailed the decision in an all-capital-letters post on his social media site, writing, "Big win for America!!!"


    In addition to ensuring that Trump remains on the ballot in Colorado, the decision will end similar cases that have arisen. So far only two other states, Maine and Illinois, have followed Colorado's path. Like the Colorado ruling, both those decisions were put on hold.

    In a statement, Colorado Secretary of State Jena Griswold acknowledged the court ruling that states do not have the authority to enforce Section 3 of the 14th Amendment for federal candidates. In accordance with this decision, Donald Trump is an eligible candidate on Colorado’s 2024 Presidential Primary.”

    The ruling warned of the dangers of a patchwork of decisions around the country that could send elections into chaos if state officials had the freedom to determine who could appear on the ballot for president.

    "The result could well be that a single candidate would be declared ineligible in some states, but not others, based on the same conduct," the ruling said.


    Although the bottom-line vote was unanimous, there were some divisions on the court, which has a 6-3 conservative majority, as to how the case was resolved. The three liberal justices — Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson — complained in a jointly written concurring opinion that the court had decided more than it needed to by laying out how section 3 could be enforced by Congress.

    Conservative Justice Amy Coney Barrett agreed that the court went further than required, although she did not join the liberal justices' opinion.

    The liberal justices said the decision could "insulate" Trump from "future controversy."

    The ruling "shuts the door on other potential means of federal enforcement" of section 3, they added.

    The Supreme Court decision removes one avenue to holding Trump accountable for his role in challenging the 2020 election results, including his exhortation that his supporters should march on the Capitol on Jan. 6, when Congress was about to formalize President Joe Biden's win.

    Trump is facing criminal charges for the same conduct. The Supreme Court in April will hear oral arguments on Trump's broad claim of presidential immunity.

    The Colorado court based its Dec. 19 ruling on section 3 of the Constitution’s 14th Amendment, which prohibits those who previously held government positions but later “engaged in insurrection” from running for various federal offices.

    The provision was enacted after the Civil War to prevent former Confederates from returning to power in the U.S. government.

    The case raised several novel legal issues, including whether the language applies to candidates for president and who gets to decide whether someone engaged in an insurrection.

    The state high court’s decision reversed a lower court’s ruling in which a judge said Trump had engaged in insurrection by inciting the Jan. 6 riot but that presidents are not subject to the insurrection clause of the 14th Amendment because they are not an “officer of the United States.”

    Trump and his allies raised that point as well as other arguments that the 14th Amendment cannot be applied. They also argued that Jan. 6 was not an insurrection.

    Republicans, including Trump’s primary opponents, broadly supported his claim that any attempt to kick him off the ballot is a form of partisan election interference. Some Democrats including California Gov. Gavin Newsom have also expressed unease about the 14th Amendment provision being used as a partisan weapon.

    The initial lawsuit was filed on behalf of six Colorado voters by the left-leaning government watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and two law firms.

    They alleged in court papers that Trump “intentionally organized and incited a violent mob to attack the United States Capitol in a desperate attempt to prevent the counting of electoral votes cast against him.”

    Colorado is one of more than a dozen states that has its primary election on Tuesday.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/su...rump-cannot-kicked-colorado-ballot-rcna132291
     
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    I thought it was the right decision. Colorado's argument was really weak. Trump hasn't even been convicted of a crime, so it would have sure led to retaliation in the future. Glad this was unanimous decision.
     
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  13. Ubiquitin

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    Trump already is the GOP candidate, on or off the ballot. His brain is mashed potatoes though.
     
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    Had they done their duty and convicted him when impeached Haley would be the frontrunner with a more than likely GOP controlled Senate to boot. Hard to change that cult mindset...
     
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    Unfortunately their mental state does not really seem to matter in this country. I really wish we could set age limits to who could run. I don't care if they call it age discrimination, we should not have men close to or in their 80's running for the top leadership in this country.
     
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    I wouldn’t set an age limit but come on, Trump is unwell. Biden is having his moments as well.
     
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    We need Al Gore or John Kerry vs Mitt Romney.
     
  19. Nook

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    Yes - it was bigoted.

    He did move beyond that.

    Still like most of history - reality is seldom black or white.

    He deserves credit for being the first President to move beyond being a bigot on this issue - but you would be accurate to say he had a bigoted position earlier.
     
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    Just about every person on this planet has held a bigoted view at some point, or supported a bigoted institution.

    When does having a bigoted position on an issue cross over into being a bigot? I support it is in the eye of the beholder.
     

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