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ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Suns 2/29/2024

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Feb 29, 2024.

  1. WestendMassive

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    Ime sounding a lot like Silas here, calls out one guy but ignores the rest of them shooting like ****

     
  2. AuburnRocket

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    It is part of the maturity process… he is YOUNG…people don’t like to hear that,but, it matters.Agree with Ime though …you look for other ways to impact the game when shot is not falling or whatever is not going well.
     
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  3. Downtown Sniper

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    Are you sure?

    What I saw was the entire team at a standstill on offense for the first 8 or so minutes, because the entire game plan was to get Jalen every shot he wanted.

    Oh Jalen scored alright. Job done for him.

    Rockets in a near 20 point hole.

    The two of those things - high Jalen field goals and big deficits - go hand in hand.
     
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  4. JayGoogle

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    I did just say it, but hey, maybe you know better than practically every coach and player that says the same thing.

    I guess team shooting is just down to luck, not sure why anyone plays defense at all, it's 'Largely' due to luck.

    Just give Curry open 3s every night and I bet one of those nights he'll randomly shoot 25% right?
     
  5. Downtown Sniper

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    The longer this season is progressing, the more I'm understanding why so many with ties to the Celtics were under the impression Rockets fans should pump their brakes celebrating his appointment.
     
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    Here’s the reality:

    The Rockets have exactly one player who has played more than 1,000 minutes that has a positive on/off rating for the entire season.

    Fred VanVleet (112.7 - 110.9)

    Sengun is virtually a net neutral (113.5 - 113.7)

    The other three starters are in the negative.

    Jabari Smith Jr. (111.5 - 113.5)

    Dillon Brooks (111.3 - 113.5)

    Jalen Green (111.2 - 114.2)

    The only other players with a positive on/off rating for the season are Tari Eason (112.6 - 103.1), Aaron Holiday (109.9 - 107.1) and JaeSean Tate (110.9 - 105.6)

    https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612745/onoffcourt-advanced?Month=0
     
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  7. OremLK

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    Missed the game, saw Jalen scored 34 and thought, "finally a good game from him at least"... then I looked at the box score and saw he shot 35% and it took him 28 shots and 4 turnovers to do it.

    [​IMG]
     
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  8. maypk

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    No hierarchy, no wins. Cam Whitmore and Jalen Green, waving off Sengun to chuck contested 3s, did wonders yet again.
     
  9. BigMaloe

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    Funny, i didn't watch the game either but when i looked at the box score i noticed that Jalen (of all people) made more 3s then the team combined.

    To me the box score paints a very hideous night of basketball.
     
  10. sirjesse

    sirjesse The Udoker has spoken!
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    Missed most of the second half. Did we win?
     
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    Ime is soft for allowing that. Call a timeout and fix it
     
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  12. sirjesse

    sirjesse The Udoker has spoken!
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    Earl Hebner! Lololololololol I never knew you were a man of such fine culture and taste @WestendMassive
     
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  13. OnNotice

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    Well Udoka did say we were gonna shoot atleast 40 3s each game after the allstar break so I guess thats why Jalen took so many

    Everything just looks forced on the offense tho, no flow no rhythm just terrible basketball

    I enjoyed that performance from Jalen in the 1st half but 2nd half he kinda cooled off. What the hell is our system?
     
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    Missed the game is JG new tank commander ?
     
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    It's just funny at this point, honestly. I gather he was hot in the first half so he just kept shooting 'em and regressed to the mean?
     
  16. OnNotice

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    I hope Jalen can turn it around and stay but I agree for the most part of this post.

    The last 3 seasons has been a roller coaster for our youngins, from the bigs to the guards having been influenced by KPJ & John Wall to Christian Wood & Bruno Fernando.. like tf. Not to mention Silas..

    Its like the GM has just randomly selected a bunch of players like he playing 2K and not giving af about how well they fit together
     
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    I don't know what word or words describe it.

    But just watch the Sengun highlights from the past couple of seasons.

    Apart from a couple of instances here and there from a broken play off a rebound or when Amen and Alpi see the court together - there is ZERO movement allowing Sengun to shred defenders with his vision and passing.

    This team is just soul destroying to watch right now. Blatantly refusing to do things that work and just continuing sticking with the absolute pathetic sh*t that for a few years now we know doesn't work.
     
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  18. ThatBoyNick

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    Jalen was the only starting player without a negative +- tonight.

    I'm one of (if not the) very first posters to have heavily criticized Jalen's game/player build on this forum. He's been mostly trash on most nights and doesn't have a winning player mold. Tonight he wasn't amazing, or even great, but he was fine to good, about the same as we got from Fred and Landale, Cam did okay I guess, Smith got boards and tried on D but blew it on offense, everybody else were just bad.

    Since you mentioned it, the entire team sitting around on offense for 8 minutes to start the game is a blatant coaching and offensive scheme failure - unless we are now accusing Ime of not having control over Jalen or his team - which is still a coaching problem but a different one, in which we'd be calling him Silas I suppose.

    What I'm seeing from our team looks like street ball, there's very little organization or plays. We used to spam an FVV/Sengun pick and roll that actually worked reliably well, but we have mysteriously abandoned it for Sengun top of the key handoffs - which to my eye test is doing nobody any good. Outside of that, and an occasional Sengun/Brooks/Smith post-up, it's just straight ISO and random ball.

    We routinely come out of timeouts with turnovers / wild contested shots. We get VERY few easy shots. Our entire team is struggling massively to score efficiently from anywhere.

    @J.R. where is that clip from McHale and Bickerstaff talking about how they got nothing and we're hyperventilating, that's what this bullshit looks like.
     
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    Next game could be spicy
     
  20. AuburnRocket

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    You take those 3 above with the positive on/off rating and add FVV...I'll take the 4 with the net negative and beat hell out of your team...that's reality.It's a helluva lot easier to impact positive/negative when you play greatly reduced minutes while your starters are grinding heavy minutes every game. Just saying.
     
  21. Downtown Sniper

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    I thought plus minus was debunked as being anything but a number on a page a while ago.

    I absolutely 100% agree it is a coaching failure that 4 players on the court have to stop what they're doing, stop playing in rhythm just to get the worst player on the team going. I 100% agree it is a coaching failure that the entire offense grinds to a halt just so the worst player on the team can feel good about himself.

    Apart from the opening stretch to the season, I can't tell if it is Udoka or Silas on the sideline.

    It is also 100% Jalen's fault he is so absolutely and utterly atrocious on the basketball court and has the ego of an actual good player, he cannot accept just how absolutely horrid he is to the offense and to every single teammate, that he insists he needs mass touches. It is 100% Jalen's fault he doesn't have the IQ to realise the entire team playing together in rhythm is the best thing, because he doesn't care about winning and only cares about his stats.

    How many people in the league - no forget that - how many people on this team alone would score less than 35 points after jacking up 28 shots? I can confidentially say there'd be only one.
     
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