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Kamala is no joke; will vote for her again

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  1. Space Ghost

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    If true, this is the hypocrisy many speak of

     
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    99ers know that woke non contributing members are conflicted with EVs because they want one , can’t afford one, then angry they will have to give Elon money cause all the other EVs suck and blow up with bad batteries

    god we’re gods
     
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    link should work for everyone

    Democrats Are Too Resigned to Biden
    If he steps aside, he’ll be a hero to his party. If he stays, his legacy may well be a second Trump term.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/democr...h217po7imgn&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

    excerpt:

    This is what Democrats argue: There is nobody else. But there is. Here we summon the usual names, starting with the Gs—Gov. Gavin Newsom, Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo. Add Jared Polis, Josh Shapiro, all the candidates of the 2020 primary. There is no Biden movement within the party that would bolt without him, no Biden cult that must be appeased.

    The Democrats will never be able to agree on anybody. Then they aren’t a party. A party’s function is to yield up and secure the election of candidates who fulfill its mission and meaning. The Democratic Party is a mess, but its constituent parts don’t want it to die, they have too much invested. In the end they’ll make a choice.

    It would be bloody. So what? It would be vital, not as if the party is in some somnambulistic shuffle toward a dark, inevitable fate.

    It’s too late. Lyndon B. Johnson, the last president to decline to seek a second term, dropped out on March 31, 1968. There was still time for contenders to launch and fund races. The primary rules have changed since then, and ballots have been printed up. Mr. Biden can free his delegates, either from the day he steps aside or at the convention. Only political romantics think an open convention is possible. You can’t know it’s impossible. Now and then in life you have to say, “History, hold my beer.”

    But the American people would see chaos. Americans appear to enjoy chaos. It will only help Trump. His campaign is planning on a Biden rematch; he’ll be crowded out of the news cycle for months; it’ll throw a wrench in his works.

    What about the Kamala problem? What problem? She can run for the nomination like anyone else.

    It’s too big a gamble. Backing Mr. Biden is a gamble. Bookmakers give him a nearly 70% chance of losing.

    The family won’t go for it. They aren’t the arbiters of American history; the White House isn’t their candy store.

    He will never change his mind. Barack Obama dissuaded him from running for president in 2016. If Mr. Biden steps aside, sacrificing all vanity and need, he is a hero to his party forever. If he stays and loses, he’s Ruth Bader Biden. They’ll never forgive him. His legacy is the second Trump term.
    more at the link

     
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    @pgabriel
    @Salvy
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    clearly workshopped somewhere. does this actually resonate with anyone?


     
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    Fetterman speaks; people listen.

     
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    he's also a half-dead mother****er.
     
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    Half dead? Biden then will live to 160.
     
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    I was just wondering how long it will be before those on the Right who suddenly seemed to become Fetterman fans because of his position on Israel start criticizing him again.
     
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    Finally something Biden is right about...

     
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    Crooked Joe? You dipshit MAGATs have literally been spewing russian propoganda. Jesus christ how are you dipshits so utterly stupid.

    Low iq @El_Conquistador @bigtexxx

     
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    Is this more or less than billions given in tax breaks to wealthy donors by politicians for scores of years?
     
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    It was a campaign promise
     
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    EVs aren't perfect anyways. The repair and insurance costs are becoming noticably higher and the charging network model not named Tesla doesn't seem to be reliable or profitable at this moment.

    Judging by the numbers in California and worldwide, the winners in the ev race has been Tesla, Chinese auto and Hyundai/Kia. American car manufacturers went all in gouging people with 80-100k trucks and the Japanese have been left in the lithium powered dust.

    Americans love SUVs and the option (but not need) for long distance travel.

    If the domestic market for EVs outside Tesla (hmm Hertz) hadn't cooled down right now, I could better understand him sticking to his guns.
     
  19. Commodore

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    this is correct

    cancelling the debt would mean the universities don't get paid tuition

    but of course they get paid, they are part of the tribe

     
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    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...t-afford-to-lose-a-single-pennsylvania-voter/

    Biden cannot afford to lose a single Pennsylvania voter

    Salena ZitoFebruary 21, 2024 3:20 pm
    PHILADELPHIA — Northeast Philadelphianative Marc Rayfield is a registered Democrat, considers himself a liberal, and voted for Democrats John Fetterman (for Senate) and Josh Shapiro (for governor) in 2022 and for Joe Biden in 2020. Now, though, he says he finds himself estranged from the party due to rising crime and homelessness in his beloved city of Philadelphia.

    Because of his crime concerns, Rayfield is now doing something he thought he’d never do in his life: buying a gun and going to target practice. So is his wife.

    “I see what’s taken place in cities across the country,” said Rayfield, who is well respected in the community for his years of volunteer efforts for various Philadelphia organizations. “I travel a lot. I’ve been to every major city in the last year in the country.”

    Rayfield is a 60-year-old former executive at CBS News who took the skills he learned in the news business for over three decades into the organic spirit business as an entrepreneur. His new gun decision, he said, was “largely influenced by a lot of the social policies that are really impacting our cities coming out of the death of George Floyd and COVID.”

    “We decided, as somebody who had never fired a gun in my life, that it was about time to be open-minded and considerate,” he explained of taking gun safety lessons through a program that uses certified instructors.

    “The final straw was sort of seeing what’s taking place as a result of what’s going on in Gaza and how that’s impacting college campuses and the rise in antisemitism,” he said, adding, “It was the final straw, but not the first straw.”

    Rayfield is by no stretch of the imagination an uninformed voter. He says he knows what is at stake in this year’s presidential election, which is shaping up to be a rematch between former President Donald Trump and President Joe Biden, yet he finds himself unhappy with his choices thanks to issues such as crime and the southern border crisis.

    “Well, first of all, I would never vote for Trump, never, but I don’t feel great about Biden at all, and I would not vote for Kamala Harris,” he says definitively about all three.

    Rayfield says he is hoping for two things: either a third-party candidate emerges who would ensure Trump loses, or Biden dramatically deciding over the summer to bow out.

    “I’m hoping that maybe during the convention, he pulls the Lyndon Johnson and says that he’s not going to run again and they’ve already identified somebody, but I don’t even know who that person would be, but it would have to be anyone else but Biden and Harris,” he said.

    Pennsylvania is arguably once again the most important state in the country in determining who the next president will be. Trump narrowly won it in 2016, but Biden narrowly won it in 2020.

    If Biden wants to hold on to that narrow margin of victory, he cannot afford to lose one vote — in particular, voters such as Rayfield who is a reliable Democrat, lives in the Philly suburbs, and does not espouse the social justice requirements demanded of Biden from the progressive Left.

    Yet Biden has lost him.

    Chris Borick, a political science professor at Muhlenberg College in Pennsylvania, says the reality is that neither Trump nor Biden has much of a margin of error in this evenly divided state.

    “It’s hard to imagine large shifts in the electorate short of a historic event,” Borick said. “Biden has a number of weak links in his coalition and while many of his 2020 voters wouldn’t flip to Trump, the lack of enthusiasm for Biden can translate into some voters taking a pass on the election or taking a flyer on a third-party candidate.”

    Rayfield isn’t the only part of the Biden coalition that is detaching from the president, who won the state by a single percentage point in 2020. A large chunk of that support came from black voters, 92% of whom chose Biden.

    Muhlenberg’s survey of voters in Pennsylvania in late December showed Biden only garnering the support of 52% of people of color while Trump was earning a solid 29%, an eye-popping number for a Republican presidential candidate.

    The survey also showed that 65% of registered voters in Pennsylvania don’t believe Biden deserves to be reelected.

    Larry Ceisler, a Democratic Philadelphia-based public affairs professional, says Biden cannot afford to lose someone like Rayfield when the current president is facing his left flank saying they are not going to vote for Biden because Biden has not sided with the Palestinians in Gaza.

    “It could be a real problem,” said Ceisler, whose strategic communications experience is well respected across the state and nationally.

    “Neither Biden nor Trump can afford to lose votes because you look at the states that are going to be competitive, and you look at the last two elections, and you’re talking a handful of votes across all these states,” he said of states such as Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Georgia, all of which Biden won narrowly in 2020.

    “So while it bothers me that Biden is sort of pulling back on Israel, or at least talking a different game because he’s concerned about Michigan, and Trump is now sending out mixed messages on abortion, both candidates and their teams realize how tight things are, and if you tilt one way, then you take the chance of losing it on the other side,” he said.

    Ceisler was referring to Biden’s remark at a press conference 10 days ago in which he criticized Israel’s military operations in Gaza, saying “the conduct of the response in Gaza, in the Gaza Strip, has been over the top.”

    Ceisler said if Biden goes too far in favor of the Palestinians, he loses legacy Democrats like Rayfield, but if he seems too supportive of Israel, he loses young social-justice-type voters. Losing too much of either group could open the door for a third-party candidate to earn support from former Biden voters.

    “It is unbelievable to me that they are willing to say, ‘OK, well, we’ll let Trump win, who is even going to be more supportive or more contrary to what we feel about Gaza and all the other things we care about are going to go down the drain,’” he said of young progressives who have voiced their decision to either stay home or vote for a third-party candidate.

    For example, this past Saturday, Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) pleaded with Michigan Democrats to vote “uncommitted” in the state’s Feb. 27 primary rather than for Biden.

    Ceisler said this clamoring on the far Left of his party leads him to believe there are people and organizations on the Left that want Biden to lose, “because I think that they want to rid the Democratic Party of the influence that comes from sort of the establishment centrist part of the party.”

    Between 1996 and 2016, Pennsylvania was a reliable electoral win for Democratic presidential candidates, but it kept getting tighter every four years.

    CLICK HERE TO READ MORE FROM THE WASHINGTON EXAMINER

    Case in point: Bill Clinton won 27 of Pennsylvania’s 67 counties in 1996, but by 2012, Barack Obama had only won 13 of them. In 2016, Trump only needed to exceed Mitt Romney’s 2012 numbers in 10 rural counties by 2,000 votes each. That’s exactly what Trump did.

    In 2020, Trump lost some of those counties and narrowly lost the state. In 2024, Pennsylvania is up for grabs. But if Biden is losing middle-of-the-road suburban Democrats like Rayfield, then his problems are deeper than many realize.
     

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