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The question of trump immunity

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Dec 24, 2023.

  1. CCorn

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    Y'all won't want presidential immunity once the pillow guy is able to prove that Obama was turning all our children into gay mooslims.
     
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  4. Kim

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    This trial probably won't start until after the election, and if Trump wins, won't happen until after he leaves office. This is assuming the judicial branch isn't forever altered if he wins the election.
     
  5. dobro1229

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    If he wins the election he'll just order the DOJ to drop the case. In a normal world that sort of corruption at the presidency would lead to an impeachment, but Trump will not give a rats ass about impeachment. There's not a single Republican that'll be left that isn't fully MAGA and there's no way that you can get 2/3 of the Senate if you are relying on a dozen or so Republicans to do the right thing.

    So long story short, if he wins, the country will literally be putting one man above the rule of law. He will not ever be impeached again under this Republican party and therefore there's nothing he can do that would put him out of power, and I fully believe he'll try to die in office, and I can't find a good reason why he wouldn't be successful at staying in power until his death.

    You are naive if you think he won't try and likely succeed at staying in power in 2028. The only potential check would be the military at that point which is the entire point of what Tubberville was trying to accomplish by holding out appointments with his blockade. Keep all of the senior official spots open for when Trump comes back into power so there's then no institution that could stand in his way if and when he does what he needs to do in the future to retain power.

    We are watching a party lay the groundwork on turning their country into an autocracy, and backslide out of Democracy in real time. If someone cannot see what's going on here then either you're gaslighting/trolling, or very naive. (not saying you are but in general).
     
  6. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Republicans HATE Trump they want him gone, but they are afraid of doing it themselves because they would lose that 10% racist MAGA base - and they would never win again, what they need to do, is PURGE the MAGAts and start over, and yes, it would take a while to build up, but they would.....

    They embraced the DREGS of society now are giving them the power - the WORST this country has to offer is calling the shots as a MAGAts agenda....

    Despicable.

    DD
     
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  7. No Worries

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    You in a kind of ha ha funny sort of way ...

    The people who bought and paid for their SCOTUS justices do not support Trump. They do not hate him enough though to call any SCOTUS favors. It begs to question their evil rich men intents.
     
  8. Kim

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    I don't think it's a lock that all of that happens if Trump wins, because hopefully separation of powers and federalism has enough roots in our government. I do believe it's a much greater chance of a lot of that happening not just because of Jan 6th, but enduring leading up to it. So yes, Trump is a real danger not just to democratic norms, but to the Constitutionally created structure of our government.
     
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    If nothing else, the Trump era has shown us that laws are only as strong as those tasked with upholding them. Sure, the 22nd amendment says that a president can only serve two terms. But, if Trump wins and decides he wants to stick around for a third term, who in the GOP is going to say he can't? His supporters do not care about laws, they care about Trump. Nothing can sever the connection they feel with him and they vote for or against GOP incumbents in primaries.

    A real "who watches the watchmen" moment indeed.
     
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  10. JuanValdez

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    He can - at best - squeeze out one extra term. I'll be shocked if he is still alive 10 years from now.
     
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    I wonder what happens if .. . he or Biden . . uhm . . dont make it to the election

    Rocket River
     
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    The people rejoice?
     
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    Hamburbers help you live forever!
     
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  14. dobro1229

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    Yeah I’m not sure anything is a lock. We are going into such a vast period of unknown that I’m not sure we are as prepared as we need to be.

    Separation of powers only really holds if the powers are truly separate. MAGA Mike holding the gavel is a HUGE risk as is the 5 Trumpers on the Supreme Court. If Trump is able to flip the Senate as well in 2025 puts Trump in position to really shift the government in a very autocratic fashion.

    As an example let’s say Trump has the house and senate in the lead up to the 2028 election. Trump decides he wants to run for a third term. Crazy right…. Well the way that Scotus is about to rule on the Colorado case is likely to heavily disable states ability to keep Trump off the ballot because what they are likely to rule is that it’s Congress that votes on contested eligibility. So even if the Constitution says you can only serve for 2 terms, we could very well be looking at a situation where only a TRUMP loyal Congress would be in charge of voting against Trumps eligibility for that third term.

    Do we really think if it’s up to Republicans in Congress that they would vote against Donald Trump and put the Democrat candidate on a clear path to the White House??

    The stakes really could not be higher. Am I saying that I predict Trump will become a dictator who defied the constitution and rules for a third term?? No… but I 100% believe there will be avenues in place that allow these sort of things to be attempted by Trump and his sycophants in Congress.
     
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    I don’t believe the USSC would allow Trump to trample over the Constitution and they have ruled against him in several cases. The probable is that from what we know of the previous Trump presidency there were people in his administration that said he should just ignore the courts. Many of those counter voices who restrained Trump from acting unconstitutionally have been called traitors by Trump and in the next Trump administration he has promised that personal loyalty will be the main qualification.

    If Trump just ignores the courts and Congress won’t remove we are in truly in a Constitutional crisis unlike anything that the US has seen or could handle short of civil war.
     
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    The scary part is I would not be shocked if he did try to stay in office for an extra term and I don't think the gop would do a dam thing, they would twist logic and reasoning to try and explain it.......the ONLY reason he wants to win is to avoid a trial, IMO he doesn't care a dam bit about actually doing the job as Prez. When he talks about all the things he would do, I wonder if he actually means it or is it just fodder for his base and if he did win he would not follow through on most things like he did during his first term...........either way, I am not taking a chance and would vote against him. The win in NY last night makes me feel a little better and shows that the Dems keep outperforming the polls, it was not nearly as close as the polls suggested it would be..........not sure what to make of that but it's a trend.
     
  17. dobro1229

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    Go listen to Justice Sotomayor’s questions to Trumps lawyer the other day about ballot eligibility in Colorado, and her interesting question on 3rd term eligibility.

    Fascinating what she seems to be hinting at as a concern for the near future.
     
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  18. mtbrays

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    I don't think Trump's primary reason for running is to avoid prosecution. That's certainly a fringe benefit, and something that is more acute than it was in 2016 and 2020 (pre-January 6), but I think his core reason for wanting to be president is pretty consistent: he is a raging narcissist and there is no more alluring position for a narcissist than president of the United States. He tells "sir stories" all the time where an unnamed person grovels before him and calls him "sir". That is the reason he wants to be president.
     
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    I think this is pretty accurate. Especially since if he really wanted to, Trump could have easily avoided prosecution to begin with. He broke the law simply because he doesn't think for 2 seconds that he'll ever be held accountable. January 6th was his 2024 election launch in terms of its purpose from a campaign standpoint, and also to his inner circle was a way to just take over the government anyways then and there with a coup so he wouldn't have to wait 4 years.

    This is someone who is completely insane and is really nothing like we've seen from the standpoint of pure evil since the dictators of the 1930's. There isn't a shred of humanity left in the guy if any ever existed.
     
  20. mtbrays

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    I don't know that I'd say he is "evil" in that regard especially in comparison to dictators. There's a long history of brutal despots post-WW II and Trump isn't that. He's simply an id monster.

    I don't think narcissism is "evil" because a narcissist isn't making conscious moral judgments. They're doing, consciously and subconsciously, what they need to do in order to feed their ego.
     

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