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Robert F. Kennedy Jr. launches unlikely presidential bid as a Democrat

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  1. NewRoxFan

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    Please do it RFK, he needs another conspiracy theorist to round out the all-star team SMH :rolleyes:
     
  3. NewRoxFan

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    putin and trump smiled and winked at each other when rfk posted this...

     
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    FYI:

    American Values 2024, formerly the People’s Pharma Movement, is a hybrid political action committee supporting independent candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s presidential campaign.

    As a hybrid PAC, the group can function both as a super PAC, raising unlimited funds for independent expenditures, and as a traditional political action committee, giving money to candidates directly. It must have separate bank accounts for each purpose.

    The group was co-founded in 2022 by Mark Gorton, CEO of Tower Research Capital and creator of file-sharing platform LimeWire, and Tony Lyons, head of independent book publishing company SkyHorse Publishing. Gorton and Lyons serve as co-chairs of the PAC.

    Both Gorton and Lyons have been affiliated with Kennedy in the past. Gorton told CNBC in May that, in 2021, he donated $1 million to Children’s Health Defense, a Kennedy-run nonprofit that frequently spreads anti-vaccine misinformation. Meanwhile, Lyons has published several of Kennedy’s books, including “The Real Anthony Fauci” and “A Letter to Liberals.”

    In a July blog post on the aims of the PAC, Gorton wrote, “In addition to traditional efforts to get the word out and build support for RFK Jr. among the electorate, American Values 2024 will be running campaigns that focus on the forces of structural corruption which resist the reforms that RFK Jr. offers.” The PAC’s website adds that American Values 2024 will “help restore the soul of democracy to America by taking back our political system from corporate interests.”

    The group had raised nearly $9.8 million, as of June 30, according to filings with the Federal Election Commission. Timothy Mellon, a billionaire descendant of the Mellon banking family, contributed $5 million to the PAC – after donating to a pro-Donald Trump committee in 2020. Celebrity security consultant Gavin de Becker – who has donated to both Republican and Democratic candidates in the past – contributed $4.5 million to American Values 2024.

    Other contributors include prominent Democratic donor Abby Rockefeller, Lyons’ Skyhorse Publishing and tech entrepreneur Steve Kirsch, who frequently spreads vaccine misinformation.

    American Values 2024 stated in an August press release that it had raised an additional $6 million in July. Then, when Kennedy – who began his presidential campaign in the Democratic primary – announced in October that he would be running as an independent, the PAC reportedly received an additional $11 million in contributions.

    The group says it plans to spend between $10 million and $15 million to make sure Kennedy is on the ballot in at least 10 states, including swing states, where ballot access for independent candidates can be difficult.

    According to OpenSecrets, as of Nov. 13, American Values had spent about $823,000 on independent expenditures made in support of Kennedy — including several newspaper ads.

    https://www.factcheck.org/2024/01/american-values-2024/
     
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    I thought it was a very weird ad, leaning heavily into the Kennedy name, which is not something I've heard RFK, Jr. do himself.
     
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    Also the rest of the family doesn’t appreciate him doing so.
     
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    And yet, rfk jr pinned the ad on his twitter.
     
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    R money is flowing in to get Kennedy on the ballots of battleground states, to steal votes from Biden. No one is deluded enough to believe that RFK Jr. is a serious candidate for POTUS. This is just a ploy to get Dementia Don elected.
     
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    he appears to have little/no control over the ad.
     
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    Sure… if you believe he didn’t know all about it I’ve got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

    Within seconds of the ad going live he had it pinned to his twitter feed.

    Also the ad wasn’t all as surprising or odd as one would think. He’s obviously trying to deceive low information voters that he’s a continuation of the Kennedy legacy, and nothing could be further from the truth. The the word INDEPENDENT flashes up on the screen to again try and appeal to those people who don’t pay attention to politics and probably have no idea he exists.

    A few months ago I would tell you that RFK jrs anti vax views and his ties to people like Roger Stone, and Steve Bannon and praise for Trump would actually hurt Trump more than Biden.

    However with billionaires funding his pac with deceptive marketing it’s possible he is the spoiler for Biden that the Dems have a right to be worried about.

    Biden’s campaign just has to do a good job of educating the low information voting population of the contrast between himself, Trump, and RFK. Easier said than done given both the understandable ignorance of Americans and the billions upon billions that’ll be spent to break the brains of Americans.
     
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    it's interesting the vitriol with which Democrats view RFKJ's candidacy. I experienced it first had during the game. to me, he's a mildly interesting guy I probably wouldn't vote for. but to some of y'all he's as bad as Trump.

    as an aside, I find the idea that there can only be a binary choice in this election, dangerous.
     
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    basso.......don't look now, but your maga is showing.
     
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    His stance that vaccines cause Autism completely discredits anything he could ever say or do.
     
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    Yeah that was a weird campaign ad. It didn't seem to take itself seriously like an SNL skit.
     
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    I get so sick and tired of the gaslighting on the "binary choice" argument you are trying to impose. YES in a true Democracy we SHOULD have more than two choices.

    HOWEVER we have what's called an ELECTORAL COLLEGE. The framers designed a decent, but not perfect (small d) Democratic system for electing leaders. The only thing 3rd party candidates do in this system is split up factions of moderate voters, and benefits the most extremist and ideological party running.

    This could be fixed in an ranked choice voting fix so it's not like we need to re-write the Constitution. However right now if States aren't ranked choice, third party candidates only benefit the most ideologically extreme.

    So please stop gaslighting. You know this is how it is, and I recommend you take a civics class to gain some basic understanding of our electoral system. The vitriol at RFK Jr. is there because we know he is funded by Trump's allies because they see him as a vessel for helping get Trump elected because they understand in a head to head Trump is un-electable. It's not about RFK, it's about Trump, and the fact that he's a useful idiot at best.
     
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    John Quincy Adams faints.
     
  20. Haymitch

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    Folks getting in all in a tizzy. Don't worry, y'all. He spent like 40 years trying to hold massive corporations accountable for their actions. He never had a chance.

    And it seems he takes almost equally from both sides. So don't worry, the candidate that you view as the lesser of two evils will be ok.
     

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