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[NY Times] ‘My Memory Is Fine,’ a Defiant Biden Declares After Special Counsel Report

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Feb 8, 2024.

  1. ROXRAN

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    I get it but as Biden says "here's the deal" - no one trust media, but what liberals can trust are polls by a non republican friendly media...

    In a CNN/SSRS poll published in November, only 25% of Americans believed Biden had the stamina and sharpness to serve effectively, while 53% said Trump did. In another CNN poll last week, 46% of Democrats were concerned about Biden’s age.

    considering the latest Biden show, I guarantee you these numbers are even worse and they know it...

    that's not opinion driven by a media op ed piece - this is real and it's part of why the handlers of Biden - don't know what they do . Should they hide Biden from media? Should they only have scripted interviews and shield from questions or limit questions? Would this tactic backfire which obviously the damage is done.
    Keep in mind this poll was way back in November of last year - this was way before the spotlight has been put on Biden with the report and subsequent disastrous showings - it was bad then for Biden and it's only getting worse
     
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  2. rocketsjudoka

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    Sure and I agree the polls are problematic and I also agree that Hur’s report wasn’t good for Biden. If you read through the rest
    Of the thread you’ll note I’ve stated it’s not a bad thing that Hur and the DOJ have been critical as it shows independence from the White House.

    All I’m pointing out is the irony of people who have openly called the NYT untrustworthy and hopelessly biased suddenly citing them.

    For the record I have no personal loyalty to Biden and would be willing to consider another taking his place. I’m also for having a competitive primary rather than a coronation. What I don’t agree with is that Biden is some complete dunderhead. Who is a complete puppet. He has always said stupid things and been sarcastic. This seems like more of the same. It’s embarrassing, disappointing but not disqualifying.
     
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    As stated these are op-Eds by individual contributors. Also I doubt the DNC considers it their mouth piece given that they’ve had conservatives contributors and also that they often supported the GW Bush line regarding Iraq and indirectly helped Trump in 2015 with their stories about the Clinton Foundation and uranium.
     
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    @basso. Since you trust the NYT on this issue are you willing to consider that the next time
    The NYT reports something that doesn’t agree with your political bias you will consider it to be truthful?
     
  5. basso

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    who said I trust t he NYT?

    what I am saying is the rats are recognizing the ship is leaking, and many are now suggesting, in official party organs, that it's time to abandon ship.

    it's clear now that if Biden is on the ticket in November, the democrats will lose. this plays out a few ways:

    1) Biden stays/runs, and loses to Trump or Haley
    2) Biden serves out his term, but doesn't run, and there's an open convention (remember, there are already many delegates pledged to Biden, and there is no time to put someone else on the primary ballots)
    3) Biden abdicates (or gets 25th amendmented) we get President Kamala, and she runs and loses.

    I think most people in the democratic leadership recognize that option 3 is a non-starter. after this week, option 2 is becoming more and more likely.
     
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    Yep. I’m now going to vote for the fascist criminal rapist with a cabinet of yes men.
     
  8. Kim

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    If you want my personal opinion, then yes, I don't mind Haley. I don't think we should have left Afghanistan, even though ultimately, I understand that people eventually have to be able to defend themselves. I supported a dual hegemonic world where it was the USSR on one side and the US beacon of democracy on the other, even though we had our fair share of dirty secrets. While there are many peaceful Muslim countries, there are many oppressive ones too. Other religious countries do it too. And I didn't mind having the military be a job where you signed up and fought around the world to protect the oppressed. So, not war with everyone, but throw that might around to promote American values, because we're not perfect, but we're better than most at promoting freedom and equality.

    But my vote for a Haley type isn't so much an endorsement of a return to that foreign policy as much as it is a condemnation of Biden and Trump. People are missing the forest for the trees with this report. Biden committed a crime and should be charged, save for his terrible old-man memory. His crime is lesser than Trump's, but the evidence seems clear to me that they're both criminals. And Trump has obviously committed more crimes and doesn't care about the law if it doesn't help him.
     
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  9. Salvy

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    I'd like to still have a democracy in 4 years. So I vote team senile over team autocrat.
     
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  15. Salvy

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    Well then *ck them.....
     
  16. Kim

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    It's an okay opinion piece. It's a very backhanded compliment / definitional debate about what democracy is. It's also ignores the fact that Trump's demagoguery only gets enough votes to win through a system that is a check against democracy, the electoral college. It doesn't get enough popular votes. So even bey the articles own definition of democracy. And it concludes that democracy is the actual enemy - I'm fearing that too many will conclude the same and usher in King Trump.

    Article:
    It is fair to say that the former president is a threat to constitutional government. He has no understanding of the separation of powers and thinks Article II would authorize him to do whatever he wants. He seems unaware of the limitations the Bill of Rights places on the powers of the federal government and has no conception of an independent judiciary.

    It is also fair to say that Mr. Trump is a threat to the rule of law. He believes he can instruct the Justice Department to prosecute his political opponents. He has no problem ignoring judicial decisions when they go against him and has mused about being a dictator for a day.

    And it is fair to say that Mr. Trump is a threat to prosperity. His plan to impose 10% across-the-board tariffs—which American consumers would have to pay—without reforming entitlement spending will make us all poorer and increase the deficit.

    One thing it isn’t fair to say is that Mr. Trump is a threat to democracy.
     
  17. ThatBoyNick

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    Shutup and read it boy

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  18. Salvy

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    I did, there are good parts to it....
     
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  19. CCorn

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    Illiterate people should vote for those that best represent them.
     
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