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[NY Times] ‘My Memory Is Fine,’ a Defiant Biden Declares After Special Counsel Report

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    Agreed. People talk about fascism, but politication of the Justice department and the national media are much bigger threats to democracy than the two idiots we have running for president
     
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    Only if you put forth muleface aka MTG as the GOP candidate...
     
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    I also heard Musk has bought the hospital he was born in and plans on annexing it to the US, retroactively making his birthplace US soil. President Musk!

     
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/09/opinion/biden-age-report-special-counsel.html

    OPINION
    THE EDITORIAL BOARD
    The Challenges of an Aging President
    Feb. 9, 2024, 5:30 p.m. ET
    By The Editorial Board

    Because of his age and his determination to run for a second term, President Biden is taking the American public into uncharted waters. He is the oldest person ever to serve as president, is the oldest ever to run for re-election and, if he is successful, would be 86 at the end of his tenure. Ronald Reagan, by comparison, was an unprecedented 77 when he ended his second term in 1989.

    A remarkably broad swath of the American public — both Mr. Biden’s supporters and his detractors — have expressed increasing doubts about his ability to serve for another five years because of his age. As Nate Cohn, The Times’s chief political analyst, noted, “In Times/Siena polling last fall, more than 70 percent of battleground state voters agreed with the statement that Mr. Biden’s ‘just too old to be an effective president.’” But the release of the special counsel Robert K. Hur’s report on Thursday — and Mr. Hur’s assessment that the president presents himself as a “well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory” — will invariably test the trust that the American people have in their president.

    Mr. Biden’s performance at his news conference on Thursday night was intended to assure the public that his memory is fine and argue that Mr. Hur was out of line; instead, the president raised more questions about his cognitive sharpness and temperament, as he delivered emotional and snappish retorts in a moment when people were looking for steady, even and capable responses to fair questions about his fitness.

    His assurances, in other words, didn’t work. He must do better — the stakes in this presidential election are too high for Mr. Biden to hope that he can skate through a campaign with the help of teleprompters and aides and somehow defeat as manifestly unfit an opponent as Donald Trump, who has a very real chance of retaking the White House.

    Mr. Biden’s allies are already going to the usual Washington playbook of dismissing the special counsel’s report as partisan. Regardless of Mr. Hur’s motivation, the details that he presented spoke to worries voters already had. The president has to reassure and build confidence with the public by doing things that he has so far been unwilling to do convincingly. He needs to be out campaigning with voters far more in unrehearsed interactions. He could undertake more town hall meetings in communities and on national television. He should hold regular news conferences to demonstrate his command of and direction for leading the country.

    As it stands, he has had less substantive, unscripted interaction with the public and the press than any other president in recent memory. As Michael Shear of The Times reported last year, “In the 100 years since Calvin Coolidge took office, only Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan held as few news conferences each year as the current occupant of the Oval Office.” As of late January, he had also given fewer interviews than the last six presidents: only 86. Mr. Trump gave 300, and Barack Obama gave 422. For the second year in a row, Mr. Biden has even refused to do an interview before the Super Bowl, a practice that allowed presidents to speak to Americans informally before the country’s largest sporting event of the year, unpersuasively citing a desire to give the public a break from politics.

    This is part of a concerted, modern White House strategy to reach Americans through online influencers or tightly produced videos, rather than public encounters that might challenge him. But the combination of Mr. Biden’s age and his absence from the public stage has eroded the public’s confidence. He looks as if he is hiding, or worse, being hidden. The details in Mr. Hur’s report will only heighten those concerns, which Mr. Trump’s campaign is already exploiting.

    This is a dark moment for Mr. Biden’s presidency, when many voters are relying on him to provide the country with a compelling alternative to the unique danger of Mr. Trump. On the most important questions — of integrity, record of accomplishment and the character required to be fit for the presidency — there is no comparison between them. In the most challenging moments of his presidency, in supporting our allies when they are threatened and in steering the U.S. economy away from recession, Mr. Biden has been a wise and steady presence. He needs to do more to show the public that he is fully capable of holding office until age 86.

    The Times is committed to publishing a diversity of letters to the editor. We’d like to hear what you think about this or any of our articles. Here are some tips. And here’s our email: letters@nytimes.com.

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    @astros123 you alright? Someone do a welfare check...
     
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    he might be doing a bit, but he definitely isnt normal!

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    So the WH legal council says that the DOJ report is spot-on but totally false at the same time. Is Garland on the hot seat?
     
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    my memories say that 99ers own everybody on Clutchfans like pac owns dope lyrics

     
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    I get many Democrats are upset at the Special Counsel but if anything this does prove that under Biden the DOJ and Special Counsel is independent of the White House. So many were criticizing the prior Administration for lack of independence of the DOJ and how Barr had attempted to shade Mueller’s report. That cannot be said about Garland and at the risk of some embarrassment to the current president I would rather have a DOJ and special counsel that isn’t trying to protect the President.
     
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    boomers refuse to give up power and have now been running the country (into the ground) for 30+ years. Biden is older than a Boomer and technically not one but the mentality is the same. perhaps the most self centered generation of all time.

    The race right now should be Newsom and DeSantis and their vastly different ways they handled covid and education systems.

    This will be insanely low turnout.
     
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    I read the piece and I think it’s a fair assessment. It does say this:
    “If Hur was going to tell the attorney general that he declined to prosecute President Biden, then I believe he was also obligated to explain his rationale. The very nature of the decision to decline to prosecute includes Hur’s assessment of the putative defendant (Biden) and how Biden would fare at a criminal trial, including in front of a jury, if he chose to take the stand”

    So yes Hur has to provide a rationale for why he chose not to prosecute Biden and given
    The political environment a rationale that he might have to explain before a hostile House committee.

    Yes Hur could’ve been more vague or kinder in his language. As the author notes though it’s hard to thread the needle on things like this and as stated previously I would rather have an independent counsel that might seem to be hostile than one that is seemingly protecting the President.
     
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    Err...I agree, still most of the MAGA cult won't look at those intricate details. The special counsel did make it more political than it needed to be and it wouldn't be a surprise if he ended up as a Fox News contributor in the near future.
     
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    The MAGA cult was going to criticize no matter what. Many of those citing the report likely if the report hadn’t included comments on Biden’s memory would be saying it was slanted to protect Biden.

    As is there are some who are already saying because Hur is not prosecuting claiming it is biased to protect Biden.
     
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    except, Biden does not beat Trump.

    and current odds (mine) that Biden is the nominee in November are about 40 nay/ 60 yay, trending to 50/50. so the calculus may change.
     
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    a frightening concept.

    would still hit
     
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    Both of them push the boundaries of the Constitution and abuse their powers. It's just that one is progressive and the other is conservative. They're both terrible.
     
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    If *everyone* would put that dipsh!t on ignore the world would be a better place.

    Unfortunately, that won't happen.
     
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    The "report" was a hit piece by a trump appointed Republican. The only thing I'm surprised about is that he was given the task.
     
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    He already has
    Those are your odds. I doubt the Democratic electorate will agree.

    im not going to rule out Biden won’t be the nominee but I think it will take something very unusual.
     
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