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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Salvy

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    Surprised Putin didn’t just ask trump for the money. Oh yea, trump doesn’t have it either…

     
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    Really? Most young males are extremely unhealthy. They have a life expectancy of barely over 55.... they are on average more often sick and sick longer than American males.

    Russia is in the absolute shitter. They are expected to lose over 40% of their population in the next 20 years.... they cannot even get young immigrants from other **** holes to move to Russia. Their average immigrant is far older than those in the USA and Western Europe.

    Smoking among young men is common - TB and AIDS is a real issue, as is alcoholism. The incidents of cardiovascular disease is 400% higher than the USA.

    You are over 2.5x as likely to die in a car accident or violent incident in Russia than the USA.
     
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    I always learn something new with Prof. William Spaniel's vids. Too bad his delivery is as dry as a professor but works at 1.5x for me.

    Global Gas prices will go up unless we support Ukraine with more aid?
     
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    I can see Tucker Carlson's attraction to Russia.
     
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    This is what happens when stay-at-home-and-live-in-moms-basement bees start growing at a faster pace than worker bees. Also known as failed socialism.
     
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    Honestly - everything has failed in Russia for a really long time.

    The level of corruption is insane. It used to be the KGB, now it’s just sociopath thugs.

    Russia has the worst air quality in the world, a completely rotted medical system.

    The level of cultural toxicity is off the map….. it’s why I always raise an eyebrow when people say how great Putin is… he didn’t start the decay but he is a poster child for it. I would rather be born in India or Northern Africa than Russia… at least I have a chance there.
     
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    We all bought into the idea that the West "broke" or mishandled Russia post-USSR because Putin was so effective and consistent with the culture of grievance and victimhood he peddled to the Russian people.

    According to Stephen Kotkin, the west offered russia a seat at the EU that would essentially be an umbrella for financial reform and recovery, but they walked away because they didn't want to be just another star on the flag. They wanted privileges and an elevated status inside the union. Their ego couldnt let them forget they were the Red Menace who went toe to toe with America for half a century. So when Shock Therapy came as a last resort for their bankrupt finances, it was a half hearted attempt out of desperation rather than something we forced onto them in order to screw them over.

    They were a petro state with chronic Dutch disease at the latter half of the USSRs existence and they're now what Spaniel calls them, a oil company masquerading as a country.
     
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    They have no culture - they lost their culture at least 5X over the last 300 years. Countries and groups that have their culture stripped struggle - what makes Russia unique is that an outsider did not destroy and replace their culture - they did it themselves. The Germans did it as well - but they were forced to be humble and lose their toxicity - the Russians tripled down on it.

    So now you have soulless assholes born into it talking about how tough they are and how much suffering they can take, because that’s all their pride can grab onto.

    The Russians and the Muslim Jihadists can fight it out of who can take a more miserable existence in stride better.

    I had a Russian on an expired visa tell me how much better Russia is than the USA. I told him if that was true, then why is he driving an Uber in Chicago at 3 am, that he could be a conscript or go without power in Russia and drink himself to an early gave at 50. He finally said I was right - but Russia needed the good ole days in the 30’s-40’s…. I didn’t have the heart to tell him the Nazi’s killed 20,000,000 Russians in 30’s and Stalin killed another 22,000,000 in the 1940’s.
     
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    Wow, even Meek Mill is asking the right questions...

     
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    Wow, even Meek Mill
     
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    If you would've told me 20 years ago that the gop would be pro putin and democrats were pro ukraine I'd say you're crazy

    @El_Conquistador DISGRACE

    Not the washed up meek mill who hasn't been relevant in years lol
     
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    An honest assessment of the future of the Ukraine/Russia war is required. What is the path to victory for Ukraine? This needs to be articulated. The problem is that Biden cannot do it -- he can barely put two sentences together at this point. But a Commander-in-Chief needs to forcefully make the case for why additional US taxpayer investment is required in Ukraine. This is a basic requirement of the C-in-C job that Biden simply cannot do. Until this happens, no money.

    In the meantime, Russia is stepping on the gas and taking more and more territory. Throwing good money after bad in a war in which we are not involved is stupid. Are you willing to send your child to fight in the trenches in Ukraine? If not, then sit down.

     
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    Good. Doesn't sound like their population will support many wars of conquest. People can stop dooming about Russia so much.
     
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    They are historically used to being abused by their leaders - which means they will go down in flames if they have to - but no, Russia is not as powerful as many think, outside of them having some military capability from the late 1980's. Their future prospects are really horrendous for the next 35-30 years, and that is scary because of nuclear capacity.
     
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    See. I agree with you. I think Russia mostly resembles a second rate 1980s military.

    The problem is people speak out of both sides of their mouth about this.

    On one hand Ruzzia is the U.S.'s greatest threat (or maybe second greatest) that justifies/requires the U.S. to spend a trillion dollars per annum on defense. Also, you hear pundits and people here talk about how if Ruzzia is successful in Ukraine they will be emboldened and keep going and waive their hand vaguely as to what that means.

    On the other hand, if you look at the Russian defense budget, Russian demographics and Russian battlefield reverses, incompetence, lack of ability to adequately resource their troops, it appears as if Russia is a second rate 1980s military that can't possibly extend itself too far or seriously challenge NATO or even a portion of NATO. They certainly can't reconstitute the Soviet Union.

    Russia doesn't actually really pose much of a national security threat to the United States, at least in conventional terms but what does pose a national security threat to the United States is its $35 trillion dollar debt which is projected to be $150 trillion dollars in thirty years. Over $1 million dollars a household. That's actually a threat to our country. But nobody pays any real mind to that. We have to drastically curtail spending, including military spending, and raise some new revenue sources to work on this issue. That's a big reason why I advocate our reduced role in world affairs. The U.S simply cannot afford this level of military expenditure. It will bring about disaster in the long term.
     
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    The amount of analysis on yt is beginning to mature or maybe the algorithm knows the level of quality and details that I like.

    For those who want the US to pull out or think we are the aggressors, this vid also provides context on what happened in Donetsk pre-2022 and what was considered the "true first day" of this current war. All news to me btw...



    I guess Trump could pull out of NATO as a bargaining and poison chip, but it sounds stupid. The adults in the room did stop the Russians on some things while Donny ran his mouth. Ofc, Donny is now the "wiser" and will bring in No Adults to look Biglier Presidential should he win.

    I don't know and don't want to think about that until we have to.
     
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    Yes - some people do.

    Also - as far as their military being second rate, they still have the juice to destroy a lot of the world.

    I don't have a problem with the US cutting military spending.

    Also - it is very possible that if Russia is successful, that they attempt to poach more land from other nations or the message will be sent to the CCP that they can take Taiwan without consequence. It gets very complicated, and isn't as simple as either side claims.

    The USA has spent 79 billion in aid to Ukraine, that includes humanitarian aid, but a lot of it is military aid.

    The USA gives 4 billion dollars in aid to Israel each year - just to do it.

    The USA is heavily involved in foreign issues and spend a lot.



    Taking Ukraine will help Russia a lot, it is prosperous and is the bread basket of Europe.

    You have to compare the relative power of Russia compared to their neighbors.

    No - Russia poses a national security threat to the whole world because of their nuclear stockpile and they are very active in the espionage.

    As far as the debt is concerned, it is a concern, but no, it is not viewed as near the concern that it was 20-30 years ago.
     
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