*Our picks - Is BKN a buyer or seller at the deadline?

I bet they trade away Royce O'Neal and DFS, but that's it.

 

All this Brooklyn pick talk actually has me wondering about trading with OKC for our 2024 pick back.

Given that we could very well be looking at FVV being out, and our chances at the play-in dwindling, I wonder what it would take to get OKC to trade our pick this year back to us.

Because in a way, we are sort of in the same boat as Brooklyn at least this year. In the future yes we have way more leverage over BKN that OKC does over us, but for this year alone I think it makes some sense if I'm Stone to make a call to Presti to explore some ideas. Our pick if we control it, and we rest our veterans, etc. could be a top 10 pick. Our pick if we don't control it could be 13 or 14 assuming we then try to rush FVV back, play alot of Jeff Green, etc. to squeak out every win we can.

Thoughts?

 

Agree with most except I think Simmons is a pretty big cap drain, and the salary floor requirements has most teams already with little space going into the offseason. It isn't going to be easy to shed his salary without attaching some valuable assets which would be better just to keep.

Assuming Bridges, Claxton, Johnson, Thomas, Sharpe would give them about $37M in cap space in the 2025 offseason with letting Simmons just expire without using a FRP(s) to move him. I'd say this is probably the best path for them. Going the hoping for a star route has a slim chance of working out better, but wouls likely be worse.

Unlike what Stone did for the Rockets for the preceding 2023 offseason, I'm not sure the Nets will try to accumlate as many resources as possible leading up to the 2025 offseason, and to get the books as clean as possible for the 2025 offseason.

 

OKC has already muddied up the HOU 2024 pick in if then statements with other teams. Clippers winning a lot makes it likely OKC keeps the pick, but knowing the Rockets luck if they trade for the rights of the Hou 2024 pick that OKC retains....Kawhi, George, and Harden get injured the next day.

 

Yeah I guess I'm not exactly sure what they've done to muddy that pick up. RealGM has a statement in there about it maybe going to Toronto in a conditional deal I cannot recall at the moment. Looking at their outgoing 1st from their side is a complete mess so yeah looking at it more it looks like a hard pick to just unwind in a deal directly with them.

I guess what I'm saying more than anything is that the Westbrook trade f-ing sucked, and was one of the worst moves made in franchise history. Had that move never been made there wouldn't be this desperation yet this season to try and win now. We could be looking at the ability to call it on the playoff push if it's unachievable, and focus on development for the last few weeks of the season to prep for 2024/25 with adding another 2 lottery picks on a team that actually does need more high level talent.

Right now we've got basically 6 talented young players, and only one of them looks like a borderline all-star as of yet. After 3 years of tanking prior, that's actually not as good as you'd hope for. The veteran additions are nice, but unfortunately they can hide the fact that we really should have more young talented players to not really need that many veterans in the first place. FVV, Green, Brooks, Holiday, Tate (yes he's a veteran), and next year adding Adams... that's kind of a alot of rotation players getting heavy minutes on a team that tanked for 3 years. In the long run we need more picks and not having our 2024 is a huge loss in the talent faucet getting turned off at a time where need that flow still on high.

 

I've never been as mad as a Rockets fan as I was when they made that trade. I knew it was asinine as soon as I heard it. I knew both Russ and Harden needed the ball in their hands. I knew you didn't want to take the ball out of Harden's hands. And I knew it made no sense to have Russ on the court if he's not controlling the ball. He was and is an awful awful shooter. Sure enough, it worked so poorly they had to trade Capela away and try some ridiculous small ball lineup with PJ Tucker as the center. And it was so bad it blew the whole team up.

If Morey had a time machine I wonder if he would have just traded Harden when he demanded CP3 be traded. Can you imagine the haul we'd have gotten for peak Harden then?

 

Same here. I knew within a second of hearing the news this was the worst trade of Rockets history and still believe that.

 

Those Westbrook picks are killer. The Rockets would have 6 tradeable FRPs (with a lot of them looking juicy) instead of just 4 (i.e., Houston would easily be 3rd in young talent/draft capital behind OKC and Spurs[lucky bastards]).

Though on the flip side, the pick the Rockets got for Westbrook's negative contract for taking on the more negative contract in Wall did turn out to be money. That pick along with the pick that resulted from turning Covington into Ariza and then Ariza into Wood were used to trade for the pick used on Sengun.

 

It’s complicated.

The mind wants to compete, but the body cannot help but tank.

They want a big fish to join, but the only thing they bank on is the “friendship” to their role players.

The fans think C Thommy is Kobe. And believe with B Simmy on court they can win a championship.

The Nets are a hilarious mess. Yet honestly the worst that can happen for us and our picks is for them to get a meh star (Trae Young?) to send the team into meh-land for eternity.

I know nothing any moar.

 

The pick is top 4 protected if we tank we can get it back along with the Nets pick.

If the Rox get a lot more injuries I'd love for them to tank and get those picks I dont give a F if CF posters here implode.

 

Brooklyn ain’t doing ****. They are in no man’s land without their picks and the Sixers looking mediocre without Joel.

 

That’s a pretty positive way of looking at it. Right now if the rockets didn’t have Sengun but had 6 tradeable 1st rounders, how many picks would it take to get a team like OKC to trade you Sengun?

 

If Brooklyn turned down 5 FRPs for Bridges, gotta assume Sengun is worth 10 or 11 FRPs.

 

I heard Salt Lake is not even that bad, Olympic Winter City but if you are not into Winter sports.....proabably just another city.

 

My god, just think how good we’d look right now if Ferntits hadn’t hated CP3 enough to give up FOUR FRPs just to get him off the team.

 

SLC is in a beautiful location, but the city itself leaves something to be desired

 

BKN clearly doesn't want to tank, it was probably mandated by their owner. They're going to be buyers and will pursue Donovan Mitchell in the summer tho I doubt they get him.

 

Let them try to avoid a rebuild. When it fails, our picks get even better, maybe.