I look at our roster and from my perspective, I just do not see a frachise player CURRENTLY. So, Im asking are we expecting too much from our players in the interim? When I think of a Franchise Player, I think of Akeem, Barkley, Jordan, Shaq, Magic, Bird, etc. Players who came out of college and immediately dominated, stars. They didnt have to develop a shot or work on their defense, they were a force from DAY 1. And I must admit, I am hard on Sengun because people call him a franchise player....I don't see it! Jalen....I don't see it, same for Jabari or Tari. I see good players but franchise, No way! And Im sure Ime will say the same. However, I do see players with potential to become a franchise player. But are we expecting too much right now 19, 20, 21 and 22yr old players?
With FVV out we are toast. I disagree with your Sengun opinion that said I do agree with your general statement. This is a young team and Ime has done an amazing job to get them performing at a borderline playoff level. Further we’ve had injuries to our young guys and we don’t have any real depth. So yeah we are expecting too much
The term you're describing is a superstar. There's usually only a handful of them at a time. The term franchise player just means the player the team makes plans around. That player may just be an all star level guy. John Wall was a franchise player for the Wizards. To be fair the term is a little outdated. Teams don't all have a franchise players like they did back in the day. Star players change teams all the time. Most teams will drop everything for the chance to get that superstar or surefire future superstar player. This team has already exceeded my expectations. But, if someone is expecting them to make the playoffs then yea I would say that's too much given the talent on the team. There are teams with top 75 all time future HOFers still playing at an elite level that will not get past the first round...if they even make the playoffs.
Everything you post is about how Sengun is not good enough or we need a defensive big man/more length Give it a rest dude--you're like a dog with a bone
No franchise player = no playoffs No shooters = no playoffs No bench = no playoffs Can’t win on the road = no playoffs “Kids” = no playoffs Yeah, we’re Bruno Caboclo. 2 years away from being 2 years away. They’re right on track for what I thought preseason: 30-35 wins *shrug* Nets pick(s) (or even their own, if they were to keep it): like I don’t think they need to add another 18/19/20-year old to this roster but they shouldn’t be chasing instant gratification, win-now help either. At the moment, while things can change quickly, there doesn’t appear to be a superstar that is ready to shake loose either. So I don’t know?
No Given that we were above .500 with the Kevin Martin / Luis scola / chandler parsons rockets 2010-2012 … I don’t think trying to make the play in is asking too much . Yes we are a young team . But , we also endured 3 years of tanking and had a superstar to trade . so I don’t think I should soften my stance on stone . He should absolutely be on the hot seat. Especially now it looks like we are not going to make the play in . 4 years in a row that something other than wins gets to be the primary goal . Please, I wish I had that kind of job security . look , winning a championship takes luck . But the goal needs to be a top 8 ish team in the nba . He had huge cap space flexibility and brought in relatively decent vets … but nothing worth bragging about . We’ve had massive draft capital and to this point it hasn’t translated to wins . we have OKC , SAS , MEM , and NOP in our division . How many of those teams are we confident we are going to be better than next year ? I think Udoka is a good coach , but if there’s tension on the type of guys he wants and the roster we have … I’m worried about fit . Stone has to make moves to get some alignment . And some of y’all are saying .. sengun (our most productive young player ) isn’t as good of a fit with the rest of our young guys. #we want to run growing pains growing pains . After we’ve had 3 years of trying to suck . not fun . not the standard we should hold our team to
Kawhi would definitely be an exception to that, he couldn't shoot at all and eventually developed into an MVP lever player. My standard for a franchise player is much higher then most though, to me there's usually only 4-5 in the league at any given time.
How old were Luis Scola, Kevin Martin etc that went over 0.500? How old is this team that is about to hit the same mark? You think 21 yr old Sengun outperforming 29 yr old Luis Scola isn't significant at all? The only justification you have for whining is we've had 3 yrs to rebuild did you even look at how long it takes other teams to rebuild? Other than OKc most team takes 5+ years or even decades to rebuild. Oh oh oh but we've had 3 yrs and a superstar who wore a fat suit to trade therefore we should be championship or Stone needs to be fired. Lol wtf dude. The fact that you even mention SAS just shows you don't got a clue what you are talking about. You realize Spurs started rebuilding the same time as the Rockets right? They got Josh Primo when we got Jalen Green, now Rox are on track to hit 0.500 they are 10/40. Yeah they got Wemby, but that's due to them sucking which according to you shouldn't be tolerated and should immediately result in a ring. Sacramento? You even know how long they've been bad? They missed the playoffs for like 2 decades and here you are crying and whining after 3 yrs. Smh!
I'm not sure I'd say he was not shooting good at all when he shot over 49% FG and over 37% from the 3 his first two years in the league.
dude if the bar is Sacramento , it’s not worth having this discussion OKC made the playoffs in the middle of their rebuild SAS only tanked for 1 year and now they are bad this year . If they win 20 games next year then you have a point . But I bet they will be ahead of rockets schedule you are allowed to be impressed with how the rebuild is going . But we haven’t achieved **** yet . I understand the age thing . But it’s not like older is automatically better . You could argue jaesean Tate had a better rookie year than last year or this year . There’s no guarantee that some of our young guys don’t regress or get hurt .
I'm not expecting too much when our top shot blocker is VanVleet and we don't have many consistently good 3PT shooters. It is what it is.
Some teams have only had 1 or 2 guys of the caliber you speak of in their entire history. A few, maybe none. So I basically agree that expecting one to be at that level at this juncture of their careers is too much. Way too much. Its possible in their prime, no one on this roster will ever be spoken of as equal to the likes of a Akeem, Barkley, Jordan, Shaq, Magic, Bird, etc. For me, I am NOT expecting that. Not next year either. We will be blessed indeed if we have that kind of player in the next 4-5 years.
Sure, i was thinking more college, but Kawhi wasn't a high volume guy his 1st few seasons, he didn't even get to 20 ppg till year 5
Did you READ the part where I included Jalen, Jabari and Tari too? Reading is FUNDAMENTAL. Not everyhring is about Sengun, this is focusing on the team as a whole.
True. They had a lot of good shooters, and the better ones took the majority of the shots. That's what we lack. We don't have as good of 3PT shooters, and one of our worst takes far too many shots. Individual PTS don't matter as much when it comes with so many bricks. We can just keep playing that way this year and next, but eventually we will realize we need better 3PT shooters and shot blockers/rebounders for a chance at a Championship. We get dominated at the 3 and on the boards too often.
Guys back then benefitted from extra years playing for college coaches in pressure situations against better-than-high-school competition. Even Magic (2 full years) and Shaq (3 full years) had extra college time. Of our guys, 4 of them were teenagers as rookies and only Amen (2 years as a pro in Australia) and Alpi (3 years as a pro in Turkey) came in with similar experience. Rookie ages: Shaq, Magic 20 Barkley, Jordan 21 Akeem 22 Bird 23 Our recent pick's rookie ages: Jabari, Jalen, Alpi, Cam 19 Tari, Amen 21 It's really rare these days for a rookie to dominate. Victor is dominating, Luka did, Zion did. Embiid did, but he was already 22 and had spent 2 full years working with NBA coaches and trainers by the time he saw game time. That's 3 guys in the last decade. That said, I think you're right in that none of our guys appear to have the potential to be that dominate.
Stopped reading after akeem. If the legend himself wants to be called hakeem why would we call him anything else.
