Rockets would be dumb to let Houston sports media/Blogs influence them into trading Jalen Green

He is clearly the easiest of our young core to part with right now due to his performance and contract status. Despite his current hot streak, his overall numbers are still down year-over-year and his overall scoring efficiency is pretty poor, and while he's shown some improvement, he's not really a plus playmaker or defender. He is eligible for a big contract extension this offseason, and they are just about guaranteed to give one to Alpi, so you know Jalen is going to send his agent knocking, which begs the question--do you risk giving him a big payday? Do you wait and see and let him go to RFA, which perhaps hurts his confidence, when he is really a confidence-based player...?

I've backed off a little on what I'd accept for him in trade--I was almost to the point where I was like "trade him for any good bench guard", and then he got hot and had the best stretch of his career, and now I'm questioning it a little bit. Even still, if he's one piece of a trade for a star (NOT for f***ing Mikal Bridges), I think you seriously consider it.

Something like a straight-up 1-for-1 deal for a player who profiles as a solid starter, like Coby White, is something I might consider. Jalen might end up being a much better player, or he might not.

 

Weren’t you whining a few days ago about how people wouldn’t “let you enjoy Jalen’s good games?” Pathetic.

 

Saying he hasn't produced at all when he's on these type of lists is kinda an absurd statement:


There is a difference between saying Green hasn't produced at all vs being very inconsistent with very extreme highs and extreme lows.

For a young player between ages of 19-21 I'd rather have a player be inconsistent but shows extreme highs than not producing at all.

 

Yes, he clearly has the raw talent to go off. It's always what gives you pause--what could he be if he could put it all together and do that consistently? At least an all-star, perhaps All-NBA.

The problem has been that his consistency is abysmal so far--he is streaky, and this year, most of his streaks have been cold ones. Can't deny that there have been other streaky players who never put it together and end up bouncing around the league, mostly coming off the bench for contenders.

But hey, at least he isn't a piece of toxic waste as a human being and teammate like KPJ. I'm willing to give him more rope for that reason alone

 

Other streaky young players didn't make this list did they?

If Jalen Green was 26 years old and showing this type of inconsistency id understand people dismissing him.

 

I don't really put any stock in these @Bradeaux lists he likes to post--they're always full of arbitrary criteria/milestones.

But yes, Jalen is still very young. I can understand wanting to give him more time. I can also see the risks in giving him a contract extension, and the downsides of letting him go to RFA. I'm a fence-sitter right now. Whatever the front office decides, I'm probably not going to be pissed off about the Jalen part of it unless it's blatantly awful (like giving him away for an expiring veteran, or giving him the full max in the offseason).

 

Define "arbitrary"

This list basically shows 30+ or games with high efficiency for players younger than 22 in league history. What makes that arbitrary? Are there massive amounts of flukes to show that any swinging dick can make it?

 

I have a feeling that they will package him with the Brooklyn pick for Alex Sarr

 

Any of the current tanking/bad teams would give anything for Jalen Green to be their foundation piece, because he is still a super star caliber player.... Not just an all star or a scorer, a super star.... In fact he is closer to that potential today than when it was just speculated on draft night. Green has shown he belongs in this league, he has shown he can score like anyone and play solid defense. Green should be the last player on the roster The Rockets consider trading....

 

For one thing, the number of games we're talking about is a pretty small sample size in all of these posts he likes to make. I don't really think it's predictive--it's cherrypicking the best small sample of a player's games.

The other thing is, the stats and cutoffs themselves are arbitrarily chosen to produce a certain result. I'm sure he runs through various permutations until he gets one that brings up a list of superstars that happens to include the Rockets player in question and doesn't include busts.

It's not about who the player is, I just don't like these posts in general. I don't like them about any of our players and I wish Bradeaux would stop making them and people would stop re-posting them.

I'm not saying Jalen doesn't demonstrate great raw potential. He obviously does, but it's not because of the latest @Bradeaux cherrypicking tweet.

 

People get really hung up on 2nd pick and third year when the reality is not every player progresses at the same speed. There are a lot of plausible outcomes for Jalen’s career and he’s shown flashes of both sides of that.

 

its wild how many ppl are so hellbent on handing the franchise tag to a player that orbits around the likes jordan clarkson, poole, and spencer dinwiddie in the fg% leaderboards

 

I didn't say he hasn't produced at all. I'm saying he's not going to be the franchise-altering player he was hyped to be when drafted. Look at all the evidence and stop cherry-picking stats. Using that to say he's on track to being in the same tier as KD or Lebron is ludicrous.

 

How are they a small sample size?

How is it cherry picked?

 

Did I say he's on track for LeBron?

You said he hasn't produced. Again, difference between being inconsistent and not producing. He's shown many instances of why he's a second overall pick type talent.

 

Still haven't explained why it's "cherry picked"

 

Time will tell who the true idiots are regarding Jalen Green assessment.

I am rooting for Green to become a consistent high level player/ star.

 

I literally just did... he arbitrarily chose points and true shooting percentage as the only two stats to look at, and arbitrarily chose 25 points and 70% as his cutoffs. This is cherrypicking to produce a certain result. Why not some other combination of stats? Why not some other cutoff?

I can just about guarantee you he runs a bunch of comparisons, and a lot of them come out looking less favorable to the Rockets player, and he throws those out and only posts the good ones. That is the very definition of cherrypicking. He doesn't just do this with Jalen, he does it with all our players. I find it distasteful--twisting statistics to push a narrative instead of using them to do a serious analysis.

 

I think Green has improved a lot defensively. During the early part of the season when he struggled, he was still playing good defense and rebounding, his shot just was not falling.

And thats the thing I don't see from Alpi. When you're shot is not falling, what else can you bringing to help the team?

Ive said on many occassions that Green should be traded, largely because I thought he didn't mix well in Ime's system but he has turned it around. Credit to him

 

why is it arbitrary?

I'm trying to get you to actually explain these concepts because it seems like what you define as arbitrary..
Is arbitrary


30 prs is a cut off because it's a high pt total for a game. 70ts% is a cut off because it's a high scoring efficiency. 22 or under is a cut off because usually NBA players aren't good before 22.

It's really that simple.