sigh thank you for your response. Its a shitty situation all around. Im not sure if you remember but when Trump was president he rolled out a "two state solution" plan that gave palestinians only 70% of the west bank and israelis kept full control of air space and a palestinian state would only be established after 5 years if the palestinians were peaceful. It was the most pro israeli plan since the beginning of time. Israel was given everything and they were able to keep all their settlements in place in the west bank. Not a single settler would have to move from their home. Bibi took the Trump solution to his cabinet and they rejected it and mocked him out of the room. The cabinet then told bibi that they werent going to approve any plan regardless who endorsed it and 70% of the west bank wasnt enough. They wanted minimum of 50% and wanted to kick palestinians out completely in the areas around the Aqsa masjid and control the entire area. Trump backed off the plan when he heard from his ambassador cuz he didnt really care enough about the muslims to push anything through. Now, the israeli cabinet is even more right wing then it was back then and Muslims in Palestine have been more radicialized as so many of their family members have been killed. 1 out of 3 muslims have had a family die in the past 6 months. Unless someone forces Israels hand nothing is going to change and that will risk cutting off ties with Israel. Its a depressing situation
The solution is simple and obvious. You take the side that lost and resettle them as refugees in more hospitable places. Just like refugees from other wars. More than 2.5 million refugees from Southeast Asia were resettled, mostly in the US, Australia, and parts of Europe. 7.8 million refugees have fled Ukraine, with something like 2 million remaining out of the country. About 2.6 million refugees fled the Communist Revolution in China and settled in Taiwan. The people who lost in Gaza and the West Bank should resettle in other places around the world. Many probably in Arab speaking countries, but certainly in other countries as well. The United States could handle 10s or 100s of thousands of refugees (just like we did with the Vietnamese, the Hmong, the Cambodians, etc.). They can all keep pretending that they are eventually going to live in peace together and fight for another 100 years instead, if they want.
You mean like how post-ww2 Jewish refugees resettled to Israel and how it was legitimized via UN declaration? No Arab state likes the Palestinians enough to give them a place to settle. By the way 2nd gen Palestinians are protesting in the West, I doubt they'll squash any beef with the Israelis even with their resettled territory...
That worked great when the Russians tried to resettle all the Chechens out of Chechnya, or the British tried to move a lot of troublesome Catholics out of Ireland, it also worked great for all the Cherokee who were resettled out of Georgia and their other traditional lands. Also I’m sure it’s working great for all those Syrians who have fled to Syria.
If it were simple and obvious, it would have been settled a half century ago. Those countries do not want Palestinian refugees. Nor can you force other nations to take them. Yes, and amongst those two million, many intend to return. Yes, and now the number one objective of the CCP is to take Taiwan. The people who "lost"? Is your position that Israel is at war with Palestine? Other countries do not want settlers. Hundreds of thousands out of millions? And what of the Ukrainians? The Africans? How many of those do you take. Do you really think that the Republican party, and many Americans in general are going to want to scoop up 100's of thousands of Palestinians and move them to the USA? It is hard to say which is more farfetched, your simple and obvious plan or Zionist Jews and fundamentalist extremist Muslims living in peace together.
Zionists hide behind religion and twist antiprejudice. It's time people call them for what they really are, ultranationalists.
There are two things in common : What they are proposing as a possibility is a demilitarized Palestinian state - something that should have happened long ago - keyword: demilitarized
@LosPollosHermanos this is the dipshit moron who you promote. He's claiming he'll deport ANYONE visa holders who simply attend a protest. They don't even have to be violent or say anything Antisemitic. I'm all for Deporting people who cause trouble and/or who spew Antisemitism but Deporting anyone who simply attends a protest is CRAZY. It blows my mind away how the MAGA dipshits want to throw this nation down the tube
Where did I promote him. You have 15+ years of posts to find one. I don’t hang on to sleezebag politicians like you until then stop making **** up. Ironically he’s probably still better than Biden, but I don’t believe in being forced into a dichotomy
Also while Taiwan has managed to build a good economy and a democracy the process hasn't been smooth. For almost 40 years Taiwan was under a military dictatorship by the Nationalist KMT government. Aboriginal Taiwanese were oppressed and even ethnic Han Taiwanese who lived their before 1949 resented the heavy handed rule of the KMT. One reason why the DPP has been able to do well in elections for the last 20 years is of long standing resentment towards the KMT.
Sure, if they want to give them land in Saudi Arabia (the ancestral homeland of the Muslims), I suppose that would work. I would hope that, unlike the Jews in the 30s and 40s, many nations would welcome them instead of being shunned by everyone and forced to create a new country. If the whole area is just Israel and everyone within the borders has the same rights, I don't think the protests will have staying power. The Arab world has loved having the West Bank and Gaza to deflect internal criticisms to say, "Look how the little Satan is treating our brothers, backed by the great Satan." all the while not allowing the people there to migrate to their communities. If there is no one left to point to, I think the wind is quickly taken from those sails. It worked great for the Catholics in Ireland, they have their own independent country. Northern Ireland is comfortably part of the UK. Very few Chechans became international refugees, so I'm not sure that's a great comparison (about 300,000 internally displaced within Russian territory away from the fighting). They are more an example of the futility of staying and continuing the fight. Their resistance was crushed, and what remains are a broken people that are burdened with crime, homelessness, infant mortality, unemployment, and despair. If they had ever had the option of packing up and leaving Russia, they should have done so. The Cherokee also refused to give up and resettle elsewhere. They still claim sovereign nation status, though it only exists on reservations wholly within the United States. If the Native Americans (of any or all tribes) had been given the option of moving en masse to new homes to live in peace in other societies when less than 1% of their people had been killed instead of being nearly annihilated, that would have been a great alternative. It would be foolish for the people in Gaza or the West Bank to look to the examples of the Native Americans for a positive outcome. No, much better to disperse among the nations of the world and just become an American or a Brit or an Australian or a Jordanian or an Egyptian or a Bhutanese or whatever. Simple and obvious doesn't mean popular or easy to sell. They haven't wanted to admit defeat and move on. How many nations around the world have asylum laws that require accepting refugees? 148 is the answer. They may not be able to return. And yet Taiwan is thriving. More importantly, the people there are happy to be a separate and distinct people from China. They have resettled elsewhere and are living great lives instead of fighting to the death in a losing cause. There would not be a China to chase them in the Israel scenario. Israel isn't going to try to claim every country where people from Gaza flee. Yes, the people who lost, and continue to lose. Hamas and those who back them implicitly or explicitly. There is no Palestine for people to be at war with. There are only the stateless Arabs, mostly Muslim, that have chosen to wage a decades long terrorist action, back both overtly and covertly by many of the Muslim neighbors of Israel. They have lost, lost more, and are on the verge of total annihilation. Probably hundreds of thousands of those as well. The other 147 countries are going to need to do their part as well. There was opposition to mass migration of Vietnamese and Hmong to the US. Now both groups have higher median incomes than the average American, and they are great additions to American society. I imagine there will be major pushback, as there always is to change. In the end, I think America would stand to benefit, and certainly the people who resettle here would stand to benefit greatly. It's the peaceful coexistence in Israel. I have provided multiple examples of my proposed solution working in a few decades, where the peace in Israel thing has been a failure for a hundred years.
