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Is Ime Udoka overrated?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ashleyem, Apr 28, 2023.

  1. Aruba77

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    Pretty much what’s already been said. Clearly a gifted coach. The culture change in Houston is night and day. He’s an elite defensive coach. Offensively he’s not the best x’s & o’s coach, but I like the emphasis on ball movement. What he’s already exceptional at, you can’t teach. And it’s clear he’s a big draw for players wanting to come here.
     
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  2. daywalker02

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    It was risk and opportunity for him......I think if he ended up in Detroit or somewhere else, he might have some success but not the success he would have here.

     
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    He's been a great coach and our young players seem to really respond to him. His style gives him the gravitas to allow players to actually earn minutes and create a internally competitive atmosphere with no-one above the law so to speak.

    On the x's and o's only a small number of complaints compared to what silas was doing. I definitely didn't like his decision not to foul at the end of the game with a 3pt lead. Essentially an automatic win became a loss. Hopefully he doesn't do that again. The other thing is we mostly haven't responded well to zone defenses. Our offense is well above average if you don't count plays vs. the zone and especially the 2-3 zone. Box+1, Diamond+1 we seem to have figured out.

    Truth be told he is light years overall superior to silas. Of course some of silas might have just been pure tank maneuvers so unknown if we saw his full capability.
     
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  4. PhiSlammaJamma

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    Everyone is improving. That's all Udoka is accountable for right now. We are still losing, but winning is a long process. It doesn't come overnight. Three years before there should be any high expectations. Our talents have to be developed. Accept small improvements each week. And we are seeing that.

    Trust in Udoka.
     
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    No he’s not.
     
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    I think Ime can turn Green into a more productive player than he was his first 2 years.......

    Superstars do not grow on trees, the Hawks had first hand experience with Trae Young who is nice but not quite a superstar.....and gave up Doncic.

     
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    Yeah…I think the Superstar label is thrown around too easily these days. A lot of these guys are not Superstars, just good players.
     
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    He is our MVP. Not overrated AT ALL.
     
  9. Umut

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    Yes he is
     
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    If I haven’t said already, the answer is no
     
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    I’d have Lue at 2 behind Spoelstra. Can’t say enough how great I think he is at in-game decision making. It’s extraordinary
     
  13. backwardhead

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    Pop didn't crack the top 10? I'm not a coaching expert so don't have a strong opinion on the list, but I'm surprised Nick Nurse is on it as well as Mike Budz, Tibbs, and no mention of Mike Brown.
     
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    This isn't an all time list, this is currently who you would want i assume. Pop should be bottom 3, he's completely lost it. He's basically as bad as people think Silas was.
     
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    Will Hardy was Udoka’s assistant in BOS prior to getting the Utah job, and has yet to win 40 games.
     
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    That's a shame. I don't really follow Spurs except when they are playing us and honestly could care less. The leadership book "Culture Code" featured Pop throughout and I came away really having a great deal of respect for him as a person and leader. I guess he's run his course and it's time to hang up his whistle.
     
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    He’s the same scumbag who allowed bruce bowen to go out and try to injure players for years so he can go f*** himself. I hope he stays on the spurs for years to come
     
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    https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...ttom-pop-outside-top-10-and-no-1-in-own-tier/

    I have said consistently that I believe Gregg Popovich is the greatest basketball coach that has ever lived. I am not wavering from that stance one bit. His contributions to the game cannot be limited to a single blurb. Attach any superlative to him that you want. He deserves it. He's also been coaching the Spurs for almost 30 years. The game has changed a lot in that time, and we're ranking the best coaches in the sport today. Popovich's recent performance leaves plenty of room to believe that he's declined a bit from his peak. Consider the following:

    He hasn't won a playoff series since 2017.

    His teams fairly consistently rank near the bottom of the league in 3-point attempts, though in fairness they've trended upward in recent years.

    He's made some pretty bizarre strategic decisions lately. Remember when Jeremy Sochan was their starting point guard last season? That might have been more of a long-term developmental ploy that was never meant to stick (that came with the added bonus of enforcing a tank), but it also more or less wasted the beginning of last season. It shouldn't have taken until January to realize how badly Victor Wembanyama needed Tre Jones.

    For two decades, Popovich had Tim Duncan to essentially serve as his avatar both on the court and in the locker room. Nobody ever acted out in San Antonio because Duncan set the example not to. Popovich could coach everyone on the team as hard as he wanted to because Duncan let him coach him that way. He retired in 2016. By 2018, Kawhi Leonard was gone and LaMarcus Aldridge had asked for a trade. Popovich is widely praised -- and justifiably so! -- for the relationships he is able to forge with his players. He's viewed as one of the NBA's best human beings. It's also fair to wonder how many of his tactics worked specifically because he had Duncan and not a more typical superstar. Did he attempt to forge similar working relationships with Aldridge and Leonard and run into problems that never would have arisen with Duncan? Duncan was not only irreplaceable, but of a different generation, and we don't quite now Popovich would handle a modern contender because he hasn't really had one. What happened with Leonard and Aldridge was far, far more complicated than a coaching failure. It's just that we mostly brush over those failings as outliers when Duncan was probably an outlier as well.

    If you want to grandfather Popovich into the No. 1 spot eternally, well, I won't stop you. He might even be underrated historically. But there are coaches I'd consider better attuned to the modern sport than he is.



    Ime Udoka has coached two NBA seasons for two different teams. Adjust for an 82-game schedule and those two teams combined to improve by 29 total wins. It's not always pretty at first. He'll openly criticize his players to the media, for example, and he has very discerning taste in players (good luck seeing the floor if you're not going to defend). But on the court, he's done just about everything right. He turned Robert Williams III into a Defensive Player of the Year candidate by playing to his strengths and making him a weak-side rover rather than a traditional rim-protector. He handed his offense over to Alperen Sengun when Stephen Silas wouldn't. When Sengun got hurt, Udoka reinvented the Rockets on the fly by playing rookie guard Amen Thompson at center on offense and handing the keys to Jalen Green. Udoka walks the tightrope between intense accountability and boundless creativity as well as practically any coach in the NBA. He's old-school demanding with every modern strategic twist you could ask for. He's destined for a top-five spot on this list. He just hasn't been around long enough yet to get there, and considering how little we know about what cost him his job in Boston, a little apprehension is warranted.

    Picking Hardy over Udoka is probably going to be unpopular. They both have two years of experience. They were the two lead voices on the 2022 Eastern Conference champion Celtics. But Udoka's teams have experienced far more success. Of course, it's worth noting that Udoka's teams have actually been trying to win. The past two Utah Jazz seasons have been the story of a coach preventing a general manager from tanking. He turned Lauri Markkanen into a star. He's built enormously successful lineups out of spare parts. He went 13-7 with his proper starting lineup, and then Danny Ainge traded Simone Fontecchio (and several important reserves) away, folding up yet another pleasantly surprising campaign. Hardy has a lot in common with the next coach on this list, who happens to be the reigning Coach of the Year. He started his career on a rebuilder, but the brilliance is there if you're looking for it. The Jazz are prepared for every game they play. He mixes and matches his players and finds unorthodox lineup combinations that outperform their talent. In a few years, the Jazz will be where the Thunder are: loaded with talent and draft picks and getting Hardy in the Coach of the Year mix.
     
  19. Deckard

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    Don't know if I can agree with everything, but I enjoyed the read. Thanks.
     
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  20. Aruba77

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    so it’s on Ime if Jalen doesnt reach his potential? Nope. Ime has already helped Jalen but it’s on Jalen to reach his ceiling.
     
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