None of this answered my question. Which was: Two groups of people want the same land. Both groups think they have a historical right to the land. Both groups are, at least in part, religiously driven. How do you resolve this?
Most Israelis are not "former Western Jews". 60% of Jews in Israel are Mizrahi/Sephardic. 30-35% are Askenazi. 3-5% are Ethiopian/Other. Add to this- 20% of Israel being Arab-Israeli. https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-mazzig-mizrahi-jews-israel-20190520-story.html Along with resurgent identity politics in the United States and Europe, there is a growing inclination to frame the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in terms of race. According to this narrative, Israel was established as a refuge for oppressed white European Jews who in turn became oppressors of people of color, the Palestinians. As an Israeli, and the son of an Iraqi Jewish mother and North African Jewish father, it’s gut-wrenching to witness this shift. I am Mizrahi, as are the majority of Jews in Israel today. We are of Middle Eastern and North African descent. Only about 30% of Israeli Jews are Ashkenazi, or the descendants of European Jews. I am baffled as to why mainstream media and politicians around the world ignore or misrepresent these facts and the Mizrahi story. Perhaps it’s because our history shatters a stereotype about the identity of my country and my people. Jews that were expelled from nations across the Middle East have been crucial in building and defending the Jewish state since its outset. More recently, Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) falsify reality in their discussions of Palestinians’ “intersectional” struggle, their use of the term “apartheid” to characterize Israeli policy, and their tendency to define Israelis as Ashkenazi Jews alone. I believe their misrepresentations are part of a strategic campaign to taint Israel as an extension of privileged and powerful white Europe, thereby justifying any and all attacks on it. This way of thinking signals a dangerous trend that positions Israel as a colonialist aggressor rather than a haven for those fleeing oppression. Worse, it all but erases the story of my family, which came to Israel from Iraq and Tunisia. For most of history, the Mizrahim have been without sovereignty and equality in the Muslim world. In Iraq, despite being “equal citizens” on paper, my family experienced ongoing persecution. The first organized attack came in 1941, the brutal Farhud- a riot that claimed the lives of hundreds of Jews. Any erasure of the Mizrahi experience negates the lives of 850,000 Jewish refugees just like them, who, even in the successor states to the Ottoman Empire of the early 20th century, were treated as “dhimmis,” Demographic ignorance also works to deny the existence of almost 200,000 descendants of Ethiopian Jews. Israel is a place where an indigenous people have reclaimed their land and revived their ancient language, despite being surrounded by hostile neighbors and hounded by radicalized Arab nationalists who cannot tolerate any political entity in the region other than their own. Jews that were expelled from nations across the Middle East, who sacrificed all they had, have been crucial in building and defending the Jewish state since its outset.
You can't be serious? Equal rights? Everyone is aware of the human rights abuses under Hamas rule of THEIR OWN PEOPLE for the last 18 years. Did women, gays, infidels and anyone not following strict sharia implemented under Hamas have rights? Good grief. You are not this ignorant and naive. Yeah, equal rights. No dancing, no secular music, no coed anything, mandatory hijabs, illegal homosexuality, only strict Islamic dress code, no Christian imagery and on and on and on. Forced sharia is not "Equal Rights".
Buddy a Palestinian who's work is 2 miles away has to wake up 7 hours before their shift to make sure they arrive on time going through security checkpoint based on ethnicity. Jews have been persecuted all over the planet. Relatively Jews felt safer under the Dhimi system before British colonialism than in Europe. It becomes Shrodinger's "safe haven". Chosing a land you claim has millions of genocidal maniacs surrounding it yet claiming they a they need to settle in the Levant for security of Jews from European anti-semtisim. Majority of the colonial settlement starting in the late 19th century and accelerating with the Balfour Declaration were from Western Jews bringing in western systems including economic systems. Hence why Askenazi Jews tend to be the most secular which also means western level birth rates vs more traditional sects. Majority of the actual settlement was from Western Jewish migration. There is a reason why Israel operates just like a western society because the core infrastructure and political systems that built Israel were from Askenazi Jews.
He comes from a background where all that is normal. For a while, he seemed to have distanced himself from the ideology, but it appears he got drawn back in.
Buddy, no. Like usual, when you are mistaken, you partially change the subject, never accept that you posted false information and try to insert a few half-truths to make your post seem accurate and veracious.
You made specific claims like no apartheid. I showed an example of a symptom of an Aparthied system of a Palestinian who's work is 2 miles away having to pre-plan hours before their shift due to security checkpoints divided by ethnicity. You also made claims of Ashkenazi Jews being a minority which is irrelevant to my point that western Ashkenazi Jews created the state of Israel and brought over their secular western system that is Israel today. They are the primary shapers of Israel.
You literally said, "Most Israeli citizens are former Western Jews [read: descended of]" - That's an assertion of fact that is either true or not true.
I was wrong in terms of I didn't look at the modern population. The reality is the majority of the colonial settler movement from the late 19th century and early 20th century with the Balfour declaration was spearheaded by western Jews. There is a reason for their economic and political system. And due to western Jews being the most secular with western lifestyles that also comes along with birth rates as more traditional sects have higher birth rates than western secular Jews. It's more about who did majority of the displacement of Palestinians from what is Israel proper today.
I don't think that's a requirement of the plan. But anyway he has to go regardless. I can't imagine the Israeli people want this war to go on much longer. He's at the end of his political life.
Do the Israel people want another generation of ptsd'd out nihilists wanting revenge living right next to them? This route of leveling Gaza only has two directions. The complete displacement of Palestinians to the Sinai Peninsula or the current status quo of a bunch of ptsd'd out revenge seekers just on the other side of the Israeli border.
What does the end of this look like? The Gaza Palestinians exist and have to live somewhere... or die... I guess... options are: 1. They are pushed out of Gaza into foreign countries. 2. They remain in Gaza and live in a rubble strewn hellscape ... which can Gaza in the state its in post-war support any type of viable economic activity or life?
WTF is someone that accomplished doing in God damn Gaza? Like I just read into what he created. It definitely is useful. Why waste your life being part of an ethnic cleansing when you can design and create such amazing things?
Because it is not an ethnic cleansing. It is an attempt to save civilians' lives from the Hamas barbarians.
Brah how many people still believe this? Almost no one here buys this. 85% of residential property is leveled buddy. 25,000 dead. God knows how many wounded and permanently handicapped. It's an ethnic cleansing.
