It also isn't this simple. You also have to allow for example victims of Oct 7th to have hateful thoughts and support fascists like Bibi and the IDF. Like I can't blame a relative of a victim of Oct 7th to sincerely become hard-line IDF supporters and supporters of a fascist genocidal government. It's natural. And that's the same with a Palestinian who becomes sympathetic towards Hamas. I believe the Christian Palestinian population approval of Hamas has increased since Oct 7th. So obviously there are a lot of people with trauma becoming sympathetic towards the entity they see as fighting their murderers. I've seen a lot of rhetoric expecting a Palestian to somehow magically after an ordinance drop killing their family yell "WHY HAMAS?!?" instead what is the more expected reaction of "WHY IDF?!??!". Most Palestinians do not see Hamas as their captives where the IDF is trying to liberate them. I infact don't think hardly any Palestinian things that, even Christian Palestinians. It's an odd thing to say but we as third party viewers who have never experienced an ounce of the PTSD these people are facing while living our comfortable sedentary suburban lifestyles are essentially denying these people "the right to hate" as in the right to feel vengeance and anger at the loss of their loved ones, homes, lifestyles etc.
Killing civilians, especially children, is wrong. Not that hard. Just because it’s war doesn’t make it right. Blind obedience and rationalization is why history is full of massacres of civilians. If the reports are accurate, Israel is currently engaged in mass killing of civilians and children.
I don't believe there has been any reliable polling but my understanding is that prior to Oct. 7th most Palestinians were fine with a two state solution and accepting the existence of Israel. As has been noted the PA has accepted the existence of Israel for 30 years now. Finding opinions in Gaza has been difficult and Hamas has not allowed political freedom in Gaza. So i would take any view that Gazans actually like Hamas very skeptically. But yes in a war you tend to support those who seem to fight for you. This was true of Irish Catholics and there are shades of that in the US with support for politicians who take extreme views as long as they are viewed for fighting for their base. With the current crisis though this was started by Hamas and I think it's obvious that Hamas fully expected a heavy handed military response from Israel. The IDF responded as predicted and Hamas has been able to capitalize off of the sympathy from Israel's heavy handed response for a situation that they created.
I don't believe the IDF is deliberately targeting children. I believe they are callous and are willing to sacrifice Palestinian civilians to get Hamas. They view this like the allies did with the bombings of Dresden or dropping the A-bombs. They are fighting in 2024 with the same mindset of WWII. At the same time Hamas doesn't care about the lives of civilian Palestinians. They are welcome those deaths as martyrdom.
Not deliberate. Just to clarify and avoid confusion, if the report of 10k+ children being killed is accurate... While we can look back in history for comparison, the modernization of society and the capability of vastly more accurate weapons is why we can't just compare.
allegations: Hamas raped women Hamas BBQ/roasted toddlers/infants Facts: Hamas killed 5000+ IDF terrorists Hamas injured 15000+ terrorists 70+% Israeli do not trust their own media/government Subjective issue:is Hamas a death cult or Resistance forces. but at least we need to come into agreement that AIPAC is in full control ..."..,After House Speaker Mike Johnson Pushed Through Israel Aid Package, AIPAC Cash Came Flowing In. The pro-Israel lobby donated around $95,000 to Johnson after he led the House passage of an extra $14 billion for Israel"
I don't think their goal is ending Hamas and this is where I get frustrated with moderates. There goal has been for decades to make sure that the Gaza strip becomes less and less hospitable over time. Look I can post videos from 2 years ago with the same routine of Gazans dying from ordinance drops, activists crying about it, western media justfying it etc. It's a 3-4 year routine by the IDF and after every run there is a denial of basic construction material under the pretense of Hamas because they do not want Gaza to rebuild their society. Every run less and less of Gaza is livable and the population increases in density because they are crammed into a smaller and smaller zones of livable buildings. The goal isn't to end Hamas. The goal is to make Gazans eventually give up hope in seeing the Gaza strip as a permanent home and eventually be like "Egypt, take us in". The goal of the right wing government of Israel is to displace all Gazans into the Sinai Peninsula. I don't know why moderates still cling on to this notion that the agenda is to "destroy Hamas". That has never been the goal.
Like how can people with a straight face still believe a goal is to destroy an insurgent terror group compromised of about five to ten thousand insurgents according to the IDF themselves when they destroy 70+% of residential property of 2.1 million humans? Like that's absurd to think that is still the goal of the IDF.
They are in tunnels. Not much to the surprise of anyone actually, those tunnels are still intact. Outside of the fact that the Israeli military is one of the most incompetent (relying on disproportionate force to make up), one can only question what the true motives are at this point furthermore, testimonies from their own hostages are that they were more afraid of being killed by their military and then some sort of it was the other side Taken together it’s hard for anyone to come to logical conclusions. Remember, the leader YOU have praised for years (to the contrary of American interests which is all I care about), BiBi…propped up Hamas to undermine the PLO and any Palestinian statehood for years
They are getting cleaned out one by one, which is why this takes so long. The whole tunnel network is larger than the metros of London and Paris combined. All the "aid money" was put to work for a gigantic war machine. You are referring to "testimony" of a hostage while the hostage had a gun to their head. Come on now. This is nonsense which keeps getting repeated in antisemitic circles. https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/20093/myth-israel-created-funded-hamas The Myth That Israel/Netanyahu Created/Funded Hamas Hamas is an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood (MB), an organization founded in Egypt in the 1920s. In its early days, it coordinated with and received support from Nazi Germany. Since Israel closed its border with Gaza in 2007, Hamas has had plenty of support from MB organizations around the world (and during the Obama Arab Spring, the MB temporarily took over Egypt) and from terror state sponsors like Iran and Qatar. Israel is stuck with an Islamic terrorist problem. Like most countries, it unfortunately alternates between fighting them and trying to appease them. But appeasement never works. War always follows. Pictured: Hamas terrorists carry out an exercise simulating the murder of Jews, on October 13, 2022 in the Gaza Strip. (Photo by Said Khatib/AFP via Getty Images) Since these false claims that Israel created Hamas or that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu supported Hamas are circulating across social media, let's address them. Hamas is an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood (MB), an organization founded in Egypt in the 1920s, before the rebirth of the State of Israel, but which now has a presence in Israel and in much of the world. In its early days, it coordinated with the Nazis and received support from Nazi Germany. The Gaza Strip used to be ruled by Egypt, which helps explain the strength of Hamas in the area. The Muslim Brotherhood operates in the United States and Europe under different names and front groups, such as the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). It also has terrorist organizations, including arguably Al Qaeda, whose leaders have mostly been MB members, and which after Osama Bin Laden was run by members of an Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood splinter group. The Muslim Brotherhood operates under various identities inside Israel. There are two branches of the Islamic Movement, one of which has seats in the Knesset (parliament). Hamas initially resembled them, focusing on religion, social work and non-violent politics, before it gained strength and revealed its real true agenda. This is how the Muslim Brotherhood tends to operate. It pretends to be political and non-violent until it can seize power. The Israelis, like the Americans and Europeans, were initially fooled by Hamas and viewed it as western governments tend to see Muslim Brotherhood organizations in their own countries as religious and political, but not terrorist. That obviously changed. When the Bush administration pushed elections in the Palestinian Authority (PA) as part of its democracy agenda, Hamas easily won them. The PA then ended any future elections to avoid losing them to Hamas. Hamas fought the Palestinian Authority (Fatah/PLO/PA are all basically the same thing) and won in Gaza. While Israel closed its border with Gaza, Hamas had plenty of support from Muslim Brotherhood organizations around the world (and during the Obama Arab Spring, the MB temporarily took over Egypt) and from terror state sponsors like Iran and Qatar. Under Obama, Hamas attacks and Israeli responses tended to end in "truces" negotiated by Egypt. In these truces, Israel would trade some benefits for an end to the violence. Social media has passed around a claim taken from an article in the ultra-left Haaretz newspaper about Netanyahu funding Hamas. Here's the actual context, also from Haaretz, about that funding. "In recent months, Israel has quietly provided some relief as part of an unofficial, Egyptian-brokered truce with Hamas, in exchange for reduced rocket fire from the territory and the scaling back of weekly protests along the border. It has allowed Qatar to deliver millions of dollars in cash to allow Hamas to pay its civil servants and has allowed the United Nations to step up aid efforts." Netanyahu allowed Qatar to bring cash to Hamas in exchange for an end to the violence. A quote circulating on social media about Netanyahu and Hamas comes from a Haaretz hit piece on Netanyahu. "'Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas,' he told a meeting of his Likud party's Knesset members in March 2019. 'This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.'" The actual source is supposedly the biography of Haim Ramon, who had not served in the government since 2009, and certainly not in the Likud. Ramon, a leftist politician, had been convicted of sexual harassment, partially ending his political career. He certainly had not been a Likud member and was not attending any such meetings, raising serious credibility issues about the quote. But the Qatar deal was certainly unpopular in the conservative Likud party, and it's not impossible that Netanyahu might have tried to rationalize it to right-wing members in those terms. That's not, however, why the deal was made. It was made to stop Hamas attacks on some of the same communities now under attack. Haaretz's elite defense editor, Amos Harel, wrote a defense of the deal when it was made in an article titled, "Images of Qatari Cash Flowing Into Gaza May Embarrass Netanyahu – but Alternative Is War." He argued: "Continued pressure on the Strip will lead to an explosion, which in turn will lead to an Israeli ground operation in Gaza, heavy casualties followed by desperate negotiations over who will assume responsibility for Gaza's population – or in other words, a return to square one. And if Israel has nothing to gain by invading Gaza, it ought to try any other possible solution before going to war... "Thursday's cash transfer produced a relatively quiet weekend, the second in a row. Friday morning, Hamas was busy distributing the cash to 27,000 civil servants and some 50,000 families defined as needy. In the afternoon, its security forces generally prevented large numbers of people from nearing the border fence during the weekly demonstrations... "Over the summer, when incendiary balloon launchings were at their height – a threat played up by the media and on social media – Netanyahu was nearly dragged into a war he didn't want and which the military forcefully advised against. The steps that will soon be approved to ease Gaza's distress could have been taken much earlier, thereby reducing the damage on all sides." The Haaretz hit piece on Netanyahu is hypocritical because the paper supported the policy. The policy was terrible. I argued against it. So did anyone seriously concerned about fighting Islamic terrorism The problem with it was not that Netanyahu was hawkish, but that he was too liberal and prone to giving in to pressure. Buying calm from Hamas did the opposite. But the truces pushed by Obama had made that the default plan. Israel, however, was not financing Hamas. It was letting Qatar move money in. As outrageous as that was, it was part of the same system that had Israel providing water and electricity to Gaza. And the entire agreement in which Israel regularly transfers money and provides services to the Palestinian Authority, which is no better than Hamas. The Oslo Accords were essentially a deal in which Israel provided terrorists with territory and money in exchange for peace. That agreement, like all subsequent ones, failed. As they always will. This was the policy of the Clinton administration, which pushed the Oslo Accords. Nearly every administration since has pushed Israel to make concessions in exchange for peace. President Joe Biden's visit to Israel climaxed with more of the same, with Israel being forced to once again provide services to the Hamas territory. That's the context. Hamas is not a monster that Israel created, but one that came out of Islam and was financed by Muslim countries for the same reasons as Al Qaeda and other Islamic terrorist groups. Israel is stuck with an Islamic terrorist problem. Like most countries, it unfortunately alternates between fighting them and trying to appease them. But appeasement never works. War always follows. The only way to deal with terrorists is to destroy them. Anything else is appeasement, which leads to compromises like these that attempt to avoid war, but bring on war anyway.
You mean this article: https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rkqi3ypsa Well, if the air strikes supposedly don't reach the tunnels, then the fear is subjective. It's a very difficult situation. Without air support, the soldiers run into traps. Hamas has prepared for this for a long time. They are pure evil, as is their Houston spokesperson @trustme.
