Some of the provisions in H.R.2 2023 are under discussion as part of the Senate bipartisan bill. While Democrats have shifted to the right, they remain unwilling to support wasting funding on the Trump wall. The H.R.2 bill was not bipartisan, with no chance of progress without compromises; even two Republicans voted against it, while no Democrats and independents supported it. The House GOP, once again, has shown a lack of interest in a compromised bill. As I mentioned before, the extreme elements will not allow any reform to go through. Remove the extreme, and you have something.
Yes, it does. How is that responsive to my post? Members of each party have proposed immigration bills. Each party takes issue with the other party's bill. That was exactly my point. It is disingenuous to claim one party cares about or wants to pass an immigration bill but the other party is standing in the way. Each side wants to pass THEIR immigration bill. The Republicans don't want to pass the Democrats' bill and vice versa.
The party who does everything they can to make Biden fail isn't a party that cares about America. They only care about taking control.
ITs just annoying cuz anyone with half a brain knows the border is a mess and needs help. The republicans will never fix the border cuz they know their dipshit low iq followers are brainwashed enough to think whatever theyre fed. These MAGA are braindead
What the hell are you talking about. Theres TWO PARTIES that negotiated the bill in the senate. It isnt some democratic immigration bill WTF are you talking about? Mitch mcconnel and the entire republican caucus in the senate for the most part are behind the bill. The bill literally writes in law that any migrant who wants to apply for assylm cant do so without applying in third country. It will literally eliminate assylm as we know it as it will codifiy "stay in mexico" that @Astrodome keeps talking about. The truth is the republicans know they have low iq followers as the base who will believe anything theyre fed. Theyve never wanted to fix anything. They need to keep the migrant caravan fear mongering going for their white base
There is no Senate bill. There is no bill in the Senate. There are currently ongoing negotiations in the Senate and the Republican representative at that table, Lankford, is pushing for the reforms you mentioned, but that bill has not even been drafted, let alone approved. Immigration negotiations in Congress center on parole, asylum policy | Nebraska Examiner No text of the proposed bill has even been released yet. We shall see if a final bill is bipartisan (recall the Affordable Care Act which was "negotiated" by members of both parties, but ultimately only supported by Democrats).
There is a senate bill... it just hasn't been passed yet. But it is the closest thing to a workable solution. Unfortunately, your fellow maga republicans in the house have already said they won't pass *any* bill before the election. Senate republicans know they need bipartisan support.
As I mentioned, the extremes of both parties hold im migration reform hostage. It's not so much each side as it is each extreme. However, it is clear that the Republican extremes are not willing to compromise. The last time an immigration bill passed was in 1986 when Democrats had control of both the House and Senate, and the POTUS was a Republican. Since then: In 2006, during comprehensive immigration reform attempts, Republicans had full control (of the House, the Senate, and the POTUS). They came close, but ultimately, extreme Republicans doomed the bill. In 2013, with the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act, Democrats controlled the Senate and the POTUS, while Republicans controlled the House. A bipartisan bill made it through the Senate, but the extreme Republicans in the House would not vote for it. In 2018, concerning DACA, Democrats had control of the Senate, Republicans controlled the House and the POTUS. A bipartisan bill fell short of the required votes in the Senate, with 54 in favor and 45 against, including 41 Republicans voting against it. As evident from these instances, each of the last three opportunities to pass something saw Republicans walking away. I expect this to be the case again, as House Republicans have already stated they won't vote for the bipartisan bill being worked on in the Senate (even though it has moved quite a bit to the right). It is disingenuous not to point out exactly who has been blocking any compromised bill and to believe that a partisan bill has any chance. House partisan bills are nothing but mostly designed for politics with little interest in actually getting through to solve issues.
Please, post the text of the Senate bill, I would love to read it. I guess I just have a much different view of the role of legislators. To me, the job is to vote for or against legislation based on whether or not you support the legislation. The Republicans in the House passed HR2, which is what they support on immigration reform. Some bill will probably be voted on in the Senate. If the House members prefer the HR2 bill, I don't see how rejecting the Senate bill is any more or less obstructionist than the Senate rejecting the House bill. Each is voting for or against the bills based on their support for the bill or lack thereof. I don't believe in a bill being better because members of two parties support it. If you would rather have nothing than the bill you oppose, that is a perfectly reasonable position to take. That is the position that Schumer has taken with regard to HR2. That can be the position the House takes with regard to whatever eventually comes out of the Senate. Each chamber could pass the other's bill and chooses not to do it.
Read all about it... https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/07/top-gop-negotiator-border-deal-00134185 Again, it may just be a proposal... but its the closest bipartisan work on border security. While you trump maga types already oppose it since you don't want an actual solution passed... the majority of Americans want some action on improving border security. So you can continue to only complain and not do anything about border security... some people are working on a solution.
@StupidMoniker literally has the worst takes in the world. The senate agreed upon bill with OKLAHAOMA SENATOR who supports trump will codify stay in mexico and triple the border control and make it illegal for migrants to apply at border and allow for swift deportations. Its not a "democrat bill" it's what smart Republicans and democrats put together in the name of governoring and unity. It's what our politicians should do as they get paid. My issue is the dup ***** in the house that refuse to even consider it cuz a democrat is in the WH
So there isn't a bill, they are still negotiating, just like I said (when you said I didn't know what I was talking about). From your own link: How was I wrong in saying there is no Senate bill? If the final bill proposed to the Senate doesn't receive any Republican votes (and thus doesn't even pass in the Senate) is it still a bipartisan bill because one Republican was at the negotiating table (see the Affordable Care Act, as previously mentioned). If it passes the Senate but doesn't pass in the House, how is it meaningfully further along in "improving border security" or "doing anything about border security" than the bill passed in the House that has not even gotten a vote in the Senate? The Senate hasn't agreed on a bill, see the quote from the link you provided above. Do you read the things you link to? It's an ongoing negotiation between one Republican Senator, Independent nee Democrat Kristin Sinema, one Democrat Senator, a Democrat Cabinet Secretary, and representatives of the Democrat White House. There is no text released yet and there has been no vote on it. I will believe what comes out of this process is not a Democrat bill when I see it. Meanwhile, there is already a bill passed in the House that addresses border security that could be put up for a vote in the Senate and sent to the President. It cannot even get a committee vote.
It’s pointing out that Congress is not getting legislation passed on immigration and the border and there are two houses of Congress. And in a divided Congress that means that Congress doesn’t actually get something passed. As had been noted several times In this thread that many of the changes people are demanding to be done on the border requires Congress to act yet Republicans won’t to blame Biden even to impeach him. They could just come to an agreement on a bipartisan bill that could pass both houses yet there are senators who say they don’t want to agree to a bipartisan bill as to not give Biden a political victory.
You’ve frequently talked about gridlock in Congress and even have said you like it. You do understand that in a divided Congress house passed bills along party lines almost never pass. When the Democrats controlled the House and Republicans controlled the Senate the House did pass immigration bills that didn’t pass or even get a vote in the Senate. Did you say then that all the Senate needed to do was vote and pass the House bill and send it to President Trump?
There was a claim that the GOP doesn't want to address the border. The GOP passed a bill that addresses the border. They could just come to an agreement on the GOP bill, yet there is a Senate majority leader that won't even put it to a vote. If there is a bill that will pass in the Senate and the House, there is nothing that stops Schumer from introducing said bill. You say there are Senators who say they don't want to agree to it, but what difference does that make if there is a bipartisan bill that can pass both houses? Just ignore those Senators. If there is no bill that will pass in the Senate, then how is it one party to blame? If there is a bill that will pass in the Senate but not in the House, how is it at all different than a bill that will pass in the House but not in the Senate. Personally, I am fine with nothing passing. As you point out, I love congressional gridlock. I would be perfectly happy if Congress never passed another bill (on this or any other issue). There are already laws on the books aplenty that they are just choosing not to enforce. Anything they can actually pass that is bipartisan will probably just make things worse. If someone had said that the Democrats don't want to address immigration reform when Trump was President and the Democrats controlled the house, I would have said it was an equally silly and dishonest argument to make then. They didn't. If you look back at past threads, I guarantee you that the same people saying the GOP doesn't want to address it now, also said the GOP didn't want to address it (or something else) then and pointed to Dem House bills that had been passed and didn't get a vote in the Senate. You think I am arguing that they SHOULD pass the GOP bill. I am saying they COULD pass the GOP bill, so there is no legitimate argument that the GOP doesn't want to address the border, they just don't want to address it in the same way that the Democrats want to address it. In a libertarian society, there would be no need for any sort of border controls. You would have open borders, because there would be no government benefits provided to additional people coming in and we are in favor of the free movement of goods and labor.
There are only 2 ways to get anything passed through the current US gov: You have a super majority (and even that might not be enough), or You compromise. There are folks that stick to principle and that's fine. But what I have seen as it relates to immigration reform is the only highest principle is politicking more than adhering to immigration principles. Since the 1980s, Republicans have been held hostage by the extremes and as a whole, while they complain mightily about immigration, they aren't interested in solving it. It's more useful as politics for them. In this latest example, the Biden admin has moved quite a bit to the right and here we are again with House Republicans walking away. These people who aren't interested in the gov working are some of the loudest complainers about it not working. Politics, childish, stupid, or smart - who knows? But one thing is clear - they aren't interested in solving the immigration problems they are complaining about daily.
in this case you have senators like Ron Johnson who have specifically said they won’t vote on a bill because they don’t want to be seen as giving Biden a win. Now that is purely partisan reasons. Perhaps I missed it but I don’t recall you making that argument when Democrats controlled the house and Republicans controlled the Senate. No more than the Republicans wanted to pass Democrat originated votes in the House. Again a divided Congress compromise is the necessary to pass a bill. So yes anything could be passed but that is almost never the case. Even in one party control frequently bills originating from the House rarely get passed without changes for example the ACA and infrastructure acts. That a senator says they won’t vote to give the president of the opposition party a win is pure partisanship. And that’s a position you can have but if so I’m not sure why you’re debating this at all since your position would be there should be no such thing as illegal immigration as there should be no borders.
