Well why do you think Suggs only scores 13 pts then if he is so efficient? Are the Magic just dumb and don't know if they give Suggs more attempts he will score a bajillion points with his efficiency? Suggs is more efificent than Banchero why not make Suggs the no 1 option since he scores better than Banchero amirite? I dunno if you are just clueless at this point or just pretending to be clueless so your narrative makes sense.
I said top 10 under 25 sg as of how he played this first half of the season. Not overall. Even with his **** play this first 40 games he's still a top 10 under 25 sg. Definitely not overall lol. Not even close at the moment unfortunately.
Former players like Ray Allen have called out fans for that type of analysis by saying that the most underrated difficult aspect of playing in the NBA that fans don't get is just how hard it is to get a clean shot off without getting blocked.
Because he's playing fewer minutes, taking fewer shots. Would Jalen Green become a decent caliber player for the first time in his career if his minutes and shot attempts were drastically reduced? If that's all we have to do, we need to do it immediately. I get that you are very invested in cheering on a scrub tier player, but we need to think about what is best for the team.
I am for reducing his role if it can improve overall team quality. The emergence of Whitmore may be a possible solution. I was somewhat skeptical about Cam's readiness. But he has turned me into a believer although he still needs a lot of growing. The only teams that might be interested in Green, like you said, would be rebuilding teams, teams that don't have a bona fide primary star. They might be willing to give us a serviceable veteran in exchange for Green's potential. That might improve us in the short run but not really a needle mover in the long run. What the "trade Green now" people want is a player who we hoped Green would become. That to me is just wishful thinking. Who would be so stupid to trade a sure thing for just a questionable potential? If all we got was another potential, then it's just a lateral move and we'd be back to arguing whether that guy would break out. I've maintained that if all we want from trading Green is a serviceable veteran who can make us marginally better now, that kind of player can be had later when we are sure about how Green will turn out. Of course, it doesn't matter for those who are already sure how Green will turn out.
Talking about how it is difficult does not mean that anyone should tolerate abysmal efficiency. If a player is not capable of even coming close to league average efficiency at their current volume, it suggests they need to have their volume drastically cut until they can get closer to league average efficiency. That's why I say we try Green out as a bench guy and see if maybe he can accomplish that feat....if not, you dump him entirely.
Absolutely But seriously though, if we traded Green (i dont think the organization is there yet) I dont believe we'd get much of a haul for him.
So why is Suggs taking fewer mins and fewer shots? You think Magic are dumb and don't know who their best scorers are? I joined this site 5 yrs earlier than you I always have the team's best interest in mind over any other player unlike you who seem to be hyper fixated on proving Jalen Green is a scrub to the detriment of the team. If you really care about this team you wouldn't be slandering Jalen and trying to make it look like he is a garbage level player when really he is just an average level player.
Lots of guys don’t come into their own until their fifth year or so. Just dumping Jalen is idiotic. One idiot wanted to trade amen and Jalen for coby white who has been on fire for like ten games. We don’t have to make a decision on his contract until mid season next year. He has improved on defense, rebounding and team ball. If somebody gives you a crazy offer, fine, but for the likes of Coby White or a couple of win now bench players is flat out ridiculous.
As you implied, it would not matter because there is a 90% chance his contract would never be salvaged......which is alright if we just say we made a draft day mistake..... If the Rockets gave him the Max not because he is worth it but because the incapability of finding that special player it is still a mistake.... Then mentally close that chapter to go to the next player.
that is the attitude of more than half of this board. I’m 65, but have so much more patience to build a winner than so many on this board. It be awesome to make the playoffs this year and is a lofty goal, but the rebuild is going exactly according to plan.
A couple of things... Regarding crystal ball talk, that would certainly go both ways but i would say the people that see a bleak future for Green can point to observable data. On the other end, there really is just hope. As far as the cut bait now thinking its simple. People who think Green will not be a good player think his value is as high as it will get right now and he's a depreciating asset. Maybe if they traded Green they fill that role by trading for another player or maybe Cam fills it and is better moving forward. Regardless, if we're talking asset management its simply just getting rid of him while he still has some value regardless of who would take those minutes going forward. Its simply a gamble. If you believe the cards are going to go in your favor, double down. Go all in. If not, best to trade those chips in for whatever they're worth. For the record, I dont think they will trade Green this season.
You might mistake impatience with so many people here having strong opinions... I have wandered my thoughts and feelers around and it struck me that it is not impatience, we can all wait until we die or are lying in death bed.... but our stubborn opinion about something or someone we hold onto dearly until our last breath.
Why improve any position on the roster then? Just hold on to every scrub and not look to make improvements. Also, rebuilds to become a contender isnt guaranteed to be linear and there is no "plan". There are moves that are made and then countermoves based on how those moves pan out. The plan wasnt for Sengun to be a better player than Jalen. Thats just how things worked out so now you recalibrate and assess what is happening now.
Thats fine that you have that take, but i disagree with it being panic selling. The sixers got rid of Fultz after having only seen him play in 30ish games. They'd seen and had enough and instead of waiting several years they decided to go ahead and cut bait. It worked out for them. They ended up getting Maxey. They may not have made that pick if they still had Fultz on the roster hoping hed become a star. Its just a difference of opinion. Its not one side panicking and one side being reasonable. You want to hold on to him and think its worth it to do so, others disagree.
To optimize his performance.....you know, what the Rockets should do with Jalen. The thing that has been my entire point this whole time. They could just let Suggs chuck so that his raw numbers would inflate, and people like you who are impressed with raw scoring numbers would be happy, but that would hurt the team.
I'm sure that's what his agent will be selling trying to get him a new contract, but Jalen won't be on this team for his 5th season unless he improves quite a bit. At some point the whole "It's just his 3rd season and he's only 22" and the "it's just his 4th season and he's only 23" talk simply won't cut it anymore. As it stands, all he's shown in his first 2.5 seasons is that he's not a starting caliber SG in the NBA. That needs to change and he doesn't have that much time left to change it.
No need to get rid of him. Who said that? I'm not in the "trade him for whatever" camp. I'm just about 80% in the "he's not that guy" camp and the other starting 4 are. Just have him as a bench spark plug and if he's on cool if he's not you play him 15-20 minutes. I'm 100% not on board with whatever we're overperforming all is gravy attitude let's give him time. He doesn't have time anymore. He just takes too long to figure **** out and doesn't figure it out at all more often than not. Last night in the clutch he turned it over twice. Once on a shitty pass to Sengun and another with his now patented "drive into the teeth of the defense and get stuffed" signature move he has. He's in the 20th percentile on finishes at the rim. 20th. In his 3rd year. This year was about letting the cream rise to the top and throwing out what isn't or hasn't worked. Unfortunately Jalen is in the latter category. We don't have a starting caliber shooting guard right now. We have Jalen, Cam, and Holiday. We need an upgrade.
