I think there’s still hope for Jalen. But I don’t see his strengths as a good fit with the team. Of course I could be wrong, but as we are now focused on winning, I think you look for better alternatives rather than putting your chips on his potential development…that we’ve seen very little of relative to his peers. I don’t want to wait 5 seasons for a Coby White outcome.
That guys couple of posts made literally zero sense. I don't think he realise he was making the opposing viewpoint even stronger when he mentioned the injuries. Ironic that he says he's the one laughing.
Boy, you know you're in bad, bad, bad territory when long gone are the comparisons to Kobe Bryant, and now the positive around your name is that you're not as bad as Hasheem Thabeet. Goodness gracious me. You don't make the points you think you're making.
Managing assets or overreacting during a season in which was going to be an evaluation year? Morale? Is there any inkling morale is low due to Green? Or is that just reaching or wishful thinking?
We forget that Coby had Lonzo Ball in front of him and who was playing pretty well back then. And his shot was coming around.
Huge leap from Jabari?! No….. We’d easily be over .600 with a competent SG in a talented West? No….. come on now… Ooof…. All of you have the same irrational views about the potential of this team without Green.
You have to stop assuming everyone who is "over" the Jalen Green Experience is "hating". It's year 3. He isn't a rookie. He is in the same year as Sengun and older than Jabari who both don't seem to need "more time". I wanted Green over Mobley and anyone else. I rooted for him to succeed. This is who he is. It's ok to accept that. We need a SG upgrade and a backup center. Jalen as the starting 2 and Jeff Green as the backup 5 are bandaids. Not long term solutions.
Green gets so much hate from CF but that because Clutchfans has become a cesspool for some of the most delulu posters in recent years, I only stay on this site mostly out of habit but Rockets Reddit Def doesn't have a high opinion of the posters here due to all the hate and toxicity the members have for their own players, coaches, management and ownership. Jalen is the best example. In his 3rd year Jalen Def hasn't been living up to all the high aspirations he had as a rookie. We were expecting Anthony Edwards and we got Caris Levert: Caris Levert (29): 16/3/3/ 34% 3 pt/53% TS Jalen Green (21): 17/4/3/ 34% 3 pt/ 53% TS Austin Reeves (25): 15/4/5/ 34% 3 pt/ 60% TS Zach Lavine (28): 20/5/3 34% 3pt/ 58% TS Is Caris Levert a let down for the top 2 pick? Yes. Does having a Caris Levert mean you trash talk him every game, blame him for every loss and act like he is a bust and dogshit? No. The posters now praise Cam to high heaven and excuse all the bad plays he makes but then hyper fixate on every bad thing Jalen does. Jalen had 1 bad play last game compared to Cam 4+ bad plays but apparently Jalen cost us the game lol wtf. This game Cam played like straight trash but you got posters saying Ime should explain himself for not playing Cam more and playing Green. Every Jalen hater here keeps saying he hurts the team and is playing like a GLeague scrub when that's just not true. Looking at the stats Jalen is playing at an average SG level, for a 21yr old to play like a 29 yr old vet that's very promising. I don't know if he will ever reach star status but he is trending to be an above average starter at the very least.
Irrational? No, it's perfectly rational to think that a shooting guard, who is generally the lead scorer on the team if not the best floor spacer on account of their shooting abilities, that is of at least average abilities in this league, which Green is well below, would have made the difference in close games if not out right added a few wins on not close games.
Yeah, I mean... treading water was okay from his rookie season through year two--was just a tough situation and his role got more difficult at the same time. But going into year three, with a change in coaching, expectations, and quality of talent around him, he was expected to take a real step forward. And he just hasn't done it, at least on offense. If anything, he's taken a step back. He's still young and there's still every chance he can carve out a successful NBA career, but it's clear at this point he is not ready for the crucial role he's being asked to play, and if he ever gets to that point, it's going to take awhile. A reduced role and perhaps a change of scenery is called for at this stage.
I don't disagree with most criticism about Jalen Green, although some of it has become straight up hate and/or crystal ball talks. What I strongly disagree is the so-called "cut bait now" thinking. What is the long term benefit of getting rid of him now? I don't see it. A lot of it is a self-defeating reasoning. One the one hand, "Green is trash." On the other hand, "We can improve by trading him." So what do you expect to get by trading trash so that you can improve in the long run?
Can you provide examples of players who think are average SGs and then let's compare them to Jalen Green to see if Jalen is indeed playing well below the standard? It's hard to make arguments when you don't back it up with stats. It shouldn't be that hard to come up with names since you are so sure Jalen is playing below average right?
I just don't get it also. Like a team with a 21 year old starting sg needs an upgrade now because?? Why? Because we are expecting to win a title this season? Like you could trade Jalen Green for a veteran 30 year old sg like buddy Hield and maybe a draft pick and Buddy Hueld will be a more consistent shooter and that's about it and that's cool I guess but what does that do for your team in the long term future? A marginal upgrade for a guard who might increase your win total by a a few games in a season where before it started people would of thought winning 30+ games would be progress? What is buddy Hueld going to look like 5 years from now with Sengun? What is Green going to look like 5 years from now? Why would you trade a young inconsistent guard who shows flashes of stardom on a team that is believe it or not still in he reubilding and development phase. Why would anyone want to do some immediate win now move for some marginally better player who will be much older and is not going to be getting better as the years go forward with Sengun. Why are people so stupid?
It’s year 3 after one of the hardest tank jobs in franchise history…. Let’s add some context here. Why exactly is this who Green will be after one off-season and not even half a season under a new coach? That’s why I think you and others are being irrational and emotional. Why is there a rush to immediately improve this team that we need to give up on Green?
Why? I don’t understand why that would be the assumption in year 3 after being essentially the worst team in the league for a couple of seasons.
This. We all have eyes…. But don’t talk about asset management when you strategy seems to be some “butt hurt, cut bait and sell low” proposal.
I don't know what's "average" among shooting guards, but here's a comparison with some of Jalen's young peers who jump to mind as guys I would personally think he should at least be competitive with, all things considered. None of these guys are star players, I think they're all in the middle of the pack among shooting guards for now, although Simons and Herro are starting to creep toward all-star status. Jalen has the worst FG% and (by far) the worst 3P% among this group. Yeah, a lot of these guys are older and more experienced, but fair or not, the expectations are a higher when you're the #2 overall pick.
It wasn't intended to be "one of the hardest tank jobs in franchise history"....it just turned out to be that after the team wasted the #2 pick in the draft and that guy went on to be the tank commander the next few years with the team adding 2 more subpar players in the top 5 of the draft who haven't really helped the team. The reason to consider moving on from Jalen Green is that he's not a starting caliber player in the NBA and he's by far the biggest hole in the roster. If there was a way to add a starting caliber SG and move Jalen to a bench role, that would probably be for the best, but if ANY team foolishly valued Jalen and wanted to trade anything of substance for him, you jump on that in a heartbeat.
Those guys aren't "average SG" which is the contention here. Coby White and IQ aren't even SG and both them are set to make big money. Tyler Herro is making 27M lol.
