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Is Amen Thompson A Bust?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Imanimal, Dec 28, 2023.

  1. Nook

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    Of course the preference is for Amen to develop range - my point was that Sengun developing range is still important, as it impacts who can take the floor and create mismatches.
     
  2. Nook

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    To be clear I don’t think it is easier than playing 4-5 guys that can hit 3’s. I do think it is easier than even 5 years ago though.

    The Cavs and Knicks are doing it and the Clippers and Wolves do it about half the game as well.

    I don’t think it is ideal at all - but teams and organizations are starting to make adjustments and finding other ways to build and maximize teams.

    FWIW if Amen doesn’t eventually shoot at least 32% from 3 - he isn’t going to be playing 35 minutes a night unless the Rockets have 4 other players around him that are competent from that range.

    I personally believe Sengun will continue to improve and become a good volume 3 point shooter in a year or two. Less confident in Amen becoming a passable 3 point shooter, but it is certainly possible… he isn’t as bad and Brewer or MKG, and off the top of my head, those are the only two I can remember being completely helpless.
     
  3. YOLO

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    All those examples play with 1 guy on the floor who can’t shoot the 3. That’s it

    cavs- Allen
    Knicks- IHart
    wolves-gobert
    Clips-Zubac

    it just speaks to my reference of its already hard enough to win with 1 non. 2 is definitely not happening
     
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  4. Nook

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    They don’t- NY plays Hartenstein and Randall… Cavs have played Allen and Mobley…Wolves play Gobert and Anderson some and Clippers play Zubac and Mann some.

    It isn’t ideal and these teams pick their matchups but they do it.

    The Celtics with Udoka did it as well at times with Williams and Smart on the floor.

    I wouldn’t set out to build a team with 1-2 non three point shooters… I would want 5 shooters… but if Amen eventually shoots 32% from 3, we can likely make it work.

    The Grizzlies had multiple poor three point shooters on the floor together last year too - and will again this year.
     
  5. YOLO

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    Randle shoots 3. He shot 3’s a long time ago. That’s nothing knew

    cavs got exposed which is old news.

    gobert and Anderson together are rare minutes. Anderson plays significantly more minutes next to KAT over gobert

    Mann shoots 3s. That’s literally why westbrick went to the bench lol

    lol smart shoots 3s. That’s also nothing new

    Idk why you’re bringing up these names but these are proven respectable floor spacers that shoot the 3 in significant volume, with non shootings centers. 2 non floor spacers is a death sentence in this modern day

    Looks like you have the wrong definition of someone who shoots 3s and who doesn’t

    westbrick is someone who teams don’t give af whether or not they shoot 3s. Amen is someone who teams don’t give af whether or not they shoot 3s. Giannis is someone who teams dont give af whether or not they shoot 3s. Simmons is someone who teams dont give af about. The guys above don’t fit in this category
     
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  6. daywalker02

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    He is not a bust but it is more than legitimate to doubt how good or bad he can become.....
     
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    Could be said about any human ever about anything ever. :D

    Great analysis John Madden.
     
  8. daywalker02

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    Not every NBA being is a sensational and much exposed Top 4 pick that cannot shoot a lick and you can rant about.

    And who does look more like a 9th or 13th pick.....with his inconsistent ball handling.

    Madden.

     
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    Bucks did it with not 1, not 2, not 3 but basically 5 non shooters. 3 of the Bucks starters in the Finals…. Giannis, Tucker and Lopez shot 27% combined from 3. The other 2 starters perceived as great and good shooters…. Middleton shot below league average at 35% and Jrue shot well below average at 31%
     
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    The Bucks took advantage of a very pedestrian year by the West Contenders, if Chris Paul, Booker and Bridges is your best team......okay.

    It is probably midrange game galore!

     
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    Both the Thompson brothers have a peculiar look in their eyes .... like they are looking thru you not at you.

    I wonder if maybe they have vision issues - That would explain the shooting issues.

    Get this kid some glasses .....
     
  12. Bo6

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    if you're expecting an immediate impact player then you didn't read his scouting report. Amen was always going to take a few years to develop. He's also the type of player that will be better the more minutes he gets.

    His best skill is creating open looks for teammates, hard to do that against the flow of the game. It is important to keep in mind that we play the SLOWEST pace in the league, which neuters Amen's ability to run the floor.



    penny was a little bit before my time but the more tape i watch, the more similarities i see.
     
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  13. Imanimal

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    Maybe I am jumping the gun, but Cam appears to have the tools to be a star in the making. Yes, he was taken low in the draft, but he’s certainly (on a very short timeline) looking like a legit top five pick. If the draft were held today, I believe that would be the case.
     
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    This. Also, it was not long ago that 3 shooters was the minimum. 5 years ago, there were probably a lot more 3 shooter lineups.

    NBA offensive efficiency has gone up. Taking away one of the big three avenues of getting offensive efficiency just seems harder as it puts more pressure on getting to the rim or being even better defensively. I get teams are trying things and getting better at getting looks inside, but that is not at the expense of getting 4 shooters usually. Also, I expect progressive teams that try to get too many non shooter on the court will get exposed more in the playoffs unless they just have a huge talent advantage.

    There just is not a bad 3 point shooting team that has a good offense. The way the NBA has called fouls lately, it is just tough to win in the NBA without an above average offense and an above average defense.
     
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    Good thing I can doubt how good or bad he can become! :D
     
  16. YOLO

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    100% False.

    Tucker and Brook Lopez are proven shooters. Middleton proven shooter.

    yeah you also don't understand what proven shooters and floor spacers mean

    Giannis is literally the only one in their lineup not respected as a shooter and regarded so

    All of this is common sense. well not for you
     
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    another prime example are the up and coming young okc thunder. Their's one non shooter who isn't respected in their primary lineup now and that's Giddey. He has shown flashes of being able to make teams pay for leaving him but not consistently yet. And okc has now cut his minutes down significantly to barely 25 mins a game. He's been a 30+ mins player prior to this year.
     
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    The trick is to have players with reputation of being a shooter and actually shoot like ****. It happens, I swear people were running at Ryan Anderson when he was shooting 20 percent from 3
     
  19. YOLO

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    ryan anderson never shot 20% from 3 in a season. did he have stretches where he wasn't hitting shots, of course he did. But that's no different than any other shooter who all have their own drought. you know why they were running at him, because surprise surprise he's a proven shooter

    you do realize not everyone shoots 40% from 3 every single night. Not even the great splash brothers. Folks act like they do. That's not reality. some of yall's expectations are really not in touch with true reality
     
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  20. Reeko

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    don’t disrespect Penny like that
     

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