Sengun/FVV-centric offense won't survive long term

So, let me get this straight. The other guys aren’t hitting open shots, yet you (1) claim FVV isn’t getting guys open shots, and (2) want FVV to defer more to the guys missing open shots?

 

We need to diversify on offense. PnR with Green or FVV works well. As does the Sengun dump/post play. As does the FVV 3ball.

We need more than that and everything outside of that feels inconsistent.

 

Actually that's a very good excuse if you are trying to win games which is what the Rockets are trying to do this season.

Spot-up shooter, floor general, off-ball player, ball-dominant scorer whatever you think Jalen is or should be, he failed at it so far. As a matter of fact, if Jalen wasn't number 2 overall pick, he'd already be traded or he'd be sitting next to Jock Landale on the bench right now.

 

You can lead the horse to the water, but you can't make him drink. We don't have the personnel to do what you are imaging. Outside of Sengun and FVV, only Jalen has the ability to run even basic PnR's. Brooks can too to an extent but he's not great at it so he limits himself to 3's. Cam literally cannot make any reads at an NBA level, Amen is getting there.

There's the idea of creative offense outside of Sengun and FVV, and then there's the talent needed to accomplish that.

 

I remember someone posted a video post that showed how putting Jabari on the strong side feeding Sengun in the post, forcing Jabari's man doubling on Sengun so Sengun can pass it back out for Jabari open 3. I don't see that run very much.

The traditional inside out game should work well with Alpi. Jabari is the most ideal guy to make the entry pass because of his height and shooting threat.

 

Jalen is relevant to any discussion regarding the offensive shortcomings the team has, actually.

 

It is relevant unless you mean Tate and Aaron Holiday as "younger scorers" who need to be involved more in the offense.

 

come on bro we not even half past the season one and you except future proof offense lmao

 

I actually think just running with what we're doing and getting back to defense first with Brooks and Tari back until one of the prospects (Jalen, Cam, Bari, Amen) forces the change by breaking out is the best chance at success. FVV's a tough ass dude, as are the productive players on the team, we just gotta keep grinding them mother****ers out until either someone emerges as a volume scoring threat, 2 people emerge as consistent secondary scoring threats along Sengun or we're down the line and trading pieces out for better fits. It's working, we're wayy ahead of schedule based on the Silas years. The more I see, the more I wouldn't **** with it tbh. I wouldn't trade/waive Jalen either, Cam or Amen aren't upgrades right now, and with a full squad we're winning tough games with Jalen so give him more time this season and next, then let him go RFA and see the market if he doesn't make it. We're literally not getting better value than that.

 

Something needs to be clarified. Otherwise arguments become confused.

Are we talking about the (1) present or (2) the future? Is it about (1) winning more games now or (2) developing a better team for the future?

If we are talking about #1, there isn't much we can do without changing personnel. The only thing I can imagine that can improve offensive effectiveness is more off ball movement. And as Udoka said last night, more players need to step up. That's is.

If we are talking about #2, then the focus should be on how to diversify our offense, how to develop our players to have deeper bags, so to speak.

I think Udoka is trying to balance the two. If his only goal was to win now, he would probably bench Jalen and play FVV, Sengun, and Jeff even more and run them to the ground. He might even unleashed Cam earlier. The fact that he is still starting Jalen and giving him a lot of minutes because he has not given up on him and try to mold him into a more well rounded guy. Same with bringing Cam along slowly. These are all long-term strategies, not win-now moves.

 

I was thinking also about what is our main goal, now or future or balance between.

It seems balanced approach but the risk is not winning and no improvement (see Eric Gordon). The improvement we had this year is mainly ridding Silas+KPJ-Nix, adding FVV+Dillon and natural improvement of younger core. Not specific game plans, no strategy otherwise.

There is an old say: "Faithless between two temples". We have to be careful.

 

Lets build a temple in between.

 

Teams are already learning how to defend Sengun in the PNR. He has to start shooting more 3's to loosen everything up for EVERYONE. Ideally to draw his man out for space for guys like Jalen to be able to create to the basket without a traffic jam. Doesnt help when Senguns man doesnt defend the outside shot because of the lack of respect for the shooter. If anybody should be spot up shooting it should be Fred not Jalen.

 

So you watched the last few games and the teams defending Sengun better in the PNR coverage, and the conclusion you drew out of those games is that Sengun needs to improve his 3-point shooting and not Tate and Jalen?

Teams defend Sengun better in the PNR because they pack the paint and pretend Tate and Jalen don't exist on the court, buddy.