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[ official ] Trump for president 2024

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Roc Paint, Nov 27, 2020.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    Could that not change?

    And who would be a "similarly moderate" successor to Biden?

    Newsom is sleazy and has a terrible track record.

    Any respectable candidates?
     
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    As you do more research, you start to pull yourself from this vicious cycle.

    All these people are self serving losers and our government is highly corrupt/F'ed up.

    Senators/Congressman leaving office 20x their net worth on regular salaries. Nobody looks into them.

    Impeached congress members claiming "insider trading" and nothing is done. Everyone is bought and paid for.

    I am way more attracted as a voter to the person who the media is constantly attacking. Not a cult, not a disease. Just time to wake the f up as a nation. Everyone getting worked up at Dem this, Repub that. You are just playing the House of Cards game suckling every talking point they will serve you.
     
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    Amy Klobuchar
     
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    It will only get worse now, with so many slimy lawyers mixed in with white collar criminals, conspiracy theorists, and propaganda spreading liars getting elected. They cover each others' butts, and feed off their voters' donations, lobbyists, inside traders feeding them info for favors, and loyalists willing to turn a blind eye for the grift, to remain in power. They aren't about to change what's feeding their greed, because most politicians just say or do what serves "them" best. I doubt there is a single politician who has never done something unethical. You can only hope your vote brings the changes or policies you believe in, and choose which politicians you trust the most to get it done. You can only hope your vote even counts in the future, and isn't overturned by a bunch of people willing to overturn the vote for power.
     
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    I mean to be honest. I was young and dumb and ignored a lot of the divisive rhetoric that Trump put out there towards minorities/etc. I ignored it, because I just felt he wasn't one of the "bad politicians". Only reason I was attracted to Trump in his first cycle. Nothing has really changed there as I still see him as a rogue candidate with no real party affiliation.

    Voting doesn't matter anymore and i'm not sure why people still think things are fair. We have already been overtaken and the elite have infiltrated our Government with Lobbyist etc and it won't stop because there is no consequences for the self serving. Only difference we can make is at local levels, but even the city of Houston has been over taken by thugs.

    Has some good stories about Sylvester handing out multi million BIZ contracts to developers in Houston for jobs that costs half the amount despite people offering to do services much lower. Those jobs got handed out to friends at the costs of the people of Houston. And those friends made a LOT of money.

    Back to what I was talking about before.. The issue that most people have is that they are too trusting.

    The only thing we can go back to, is how people in history have acted when they have been in power with no consequences. The little guy has always gotten smashed.

    People really think the most powerful nation in the world's elections are truly voted on "by the people."

    Do you think the people who really run things would allow that too happen.

    Do people really think that Joe Biden who is clearly suffering from old age is making REAL decisions? He isn't......

    Obviously some people who really believe in the system will see these thoughts as leaning on conspiracy, but I think our nation as a whole is close to waking up.

    Personally I am really interested in this election cycle.

    I don't think Joe Biden can win. He is too mentally compromised and human psychology has never sided with a candidate that is perceived ill or of lesser health to a certain degree.

    Less than a year from finding out.
     
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  6. Amiga

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    do research? lol, sorry

    (social media isn't a place of research worth anything)
     
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  7. Amiga

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    Of course, it could, but Biden isn't a new shiny guy out of the gate. He's got a 500-year-old record. He is who he is. And if elected, he will be a lame duck. Lame ducks are a bit more free to do whatever they think is best, and for Biden, whatever you think of his policies, he ultimately does not put himself above the nation. It's funny I have to even say that. Most people in politics still have that character. Except for one glaring, fundamentally flawed person who might make it back up there again.
     
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    NYT Editorial Board | A Warning About Donald Trump and 2024 - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

    Mr. Trump does not offer voters anything resembling a normal option of Republican or Democrat, conservative or liberal, big government or small. He confronts America with a far more fateful choice: between the continuance of the United States as a nation dedicated to “the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity” and a man who has proudly shown open disdain for the law and the protections and ideals of the Constitution.
     
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    New son is awesome. Maybe if Trump drops out Biden will too and we get a true election.

    DD
     
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    Newsom who cheated on his wife with an intern then fled to mexico during covid.....sure im sure midwestern voters would love that from a slick hair gov. You truly have some of the worst takes
     
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    It's sad that Joe hasn't passed the torch to a bright younger candidate. He is declining mentally and physically, and should have stepped down. That being said, he certainly isn't more mentally compromised than a raging sociopath like Trump. Joe isn't as stupid or dangerous as Trump, and he's certainly got more knowledge and normality going on in his brain. He's also not a raging sociopath wannabe Dictator who would sell his soul to the devil with the blink of an eye. Speaking of human psychology, Trump ticks all the boxes for a raging sociopath/psychopath. That's a far more dangerous mental issue than a normal old person. Trump is old too by the way. He wears adult diapers, struggles with fine motor skills, and has a family history of Alzheimer's disease.

    Trump isn't capable of telling the truth, and is borderline illiterate on top of it. He will lie, cheat and steal with no regrets or remorse, isn't capable of admitting he is wrong, and can't accept defeat. He's also incapable of controlling his emotions. He whines and cries like a baby, twists the story to make him look good, and plots revenge on others any way he can. He's a backstabbing untrustworthy two-faced liar. He's constantly plotting and planning ways to get more power or make more money, legally or illegally. He thinks he's above the law, and up there on a level of almighty God himself. Yes, he's a sociopath.

    The guy doesn't even know what he's talking about half the time when asked questions that require a bit of insight or knowledge. He just rambles idiotic responses, that make no sense at all, to try and wing an answer on subjects he knows nothing about. Trump is only good at bragging about himself, and making a buck off anyone who will listen to him spew his childish catch phrases, propaganda and lies. He's nothing more than a snake in a blue suit and red tie performing his attention seeking circus act at a town near you, and preferably one with lots of white people.
     
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    Biden has done some great things policy wise that the right won't give him credit for but that's politics, but its disingenuous when folks like Bobert vote against something and then take credit when it brings money into their districts. He is old, he has a stuttering issue and makes gaffes at times as all politicians do. The economy is doing better on paper, but people are not feeling it at HEB, I don't necessarily blame that on any President as I don't get upset at them when gas prices spike, but when people are asked, "is your life better or worse than it was 4 years ago" the sentiment is its worse. I don't necessarily take that as they will succumb to voting in a guy like trump who may be the worst thing that happens to America, only time will tell that. The dems have not brought new young candidates into the fold and that's a problem, I do like Booker and Jeffries though. One interesting convo I had with a friend who is an Independant, and he hates trump and won't vote for him, but he doesn't want Biden again, so he is going to vote third party and we debated how that really could backfire, any vote to a third party is going to hurt one of them, so is your third-party vote really helping trump in the long run? One thing I wish Biden would do is address the border, I am not down there so I don't know how bad it is and I don't get my news from twitter or facebook so if it needs be temporarily closed to figure this out then do it. Congress has proven they wont do anything and the r`s have said they wont help biden, but dam man, do you not want to help your fellow Americans, work together and figure this out
     
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    In regards to the border. What is happening now wouldn't be allowed to happen. Its way worse than whats being depicted on the mainstream media per my brother in law(border patrol). The border should have been shut down a long time ago. People flooding in and were one of the only countries who allow this to happen. National security is completely compromised at this point. Thats a major failure and just unsafe for Americans.

    I could be wrong, and I recognize Joe has a stuttering problem but there is no way at this point in time you can actually suggest that Biden's age hasn't taken him to a point that he is a senile old man. Listen to him talk. The gaffe's are more frequent, he looks lost. Its not his fault either. This is what his party wanted. He is just too old....Shoot, Trump is to old too.

    2016 the mainstream media was preaching Trump was going to start nuclear war lmao. It was wild.

    Now ask yourself:
    Has China, North Korea, or Russia's relationship with the US gotten better or worse since Trump left?
    Has the Middle East destabilization gotten better or worse since Trump left?

    So through actions: I just can't agree that Trump is more dangerous. I think saying that is just untruthful.

    Fyi, its ok to disagree @deb4rockets , I still enjoy our Houston Texans discussions. :)
     
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    A wannabe Dictator is more dangerous in my eyes when he lies, cheats, steals, breaks the law. I also believe he will widen the gap of rich and poor with tax cuts to the wealthy. That's where we disagree I guess. Those things really scare me. I just can't support a compulsive liar as a leader we are supposed to trust. Maybe part of that stems from serving my country 20 years in the Navy. I might have a different viewpoint of who I would trust as my Commander in Chief.
     
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    I don't think asking if the US has better relationship to Authoritarian dictators that also initiate an unprovoked invasion of a non hostile nation is a metric that should be used to measure success. The real question is the United States position stronger regarding the nations of Russia N. Korea and the United States.

    The answer is yes for all of them. The United States is in a much stronger position than it was during the Trump era.

    Primarily, it is because we have strengthened alliances, didn't fall for flattery, haven't given away Intel secrets etc. to the leaders of those nations as Trump did.

    In the middle east Biden has been able to work with the nations there as well as our other allies to have a more unified front in dealing with the many issues.
     
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    Americans are better today than they were 4 years ago in literally every category. Wages, household wealth, 401k, less student debt, more folks have insurance now than ever before.

    What's worst for Americans today than 4 years ago? Not "vibes" but actual facts ?
     
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    Feelings don't care about your facts.
     
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    trump wrote love letters to Kim for years and what did he get out of it? North Korea tested IBCMS in 2020 even when trump gave the koreans everything he wanted. What did trump get from North Korea? What concessions did trump get from putin? Trump sided with putin on the national stage and embarrassed his own intel community? The ex ukrianian ambassador said this emboldened putin and was one of reasons he invaded ukraine. Moving the embassy to Jerusalem to piss off the Muslims in gaza helped peace? Trump telling Israel to annex land in west bank helped peace? Trump was the first potus in history to claim illegal settlements were legal. You don't think this pissed off every Muslim in Palestine?

    It blows my mind how people think trump had some sort of successful foreign policy. What are you people smoking ?

    It blows my mind away how people can be so utterly delusional to trumps foreign policy
     
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    Donald Trump before January 6 happened you can make a point about his politics. The fact that he illegally hired fake electors to take place of legally voted electors makes him a facist and a dangerous man.

    Trump wanted to send us militia and armed fbi agents to voting centers to seize voting machines before they were counted. The idea that we can just somehow glance over what he did post election is insane.

    There's nothing comparable to anything Biden has done. Trump did everything he could to steal the election. He's a piece of ****
     
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    We'd be even better off if MAGA Republicans stopped voting NO to proposed changes to actually help Americans even more. It's like they just want to make Biden fail, while hurting Americans in the process. From everything to addressing price gouging, prescription drug prices, healthcare, social services, mental healthcare, to safety inspections and regulations designed to save lives, clean up pollution and chemical waste, and holding those accountable for not following guidelines, to stricter gun laws. It's just NO, NO, NO from the GOP.
     

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