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It's a matter of Bidenomics!

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by adoo, Jun 28, 2023.

  1. Space Ghost

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    I just liked the cutesy meme. I wasn't interested in ZeroHedges nonsense
     
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    That's a very narrow way of looking at it.

    Free preventative care allows people to go get screened to ensure to catch health issues upfront rather than later down the road. I would think catching things earlier rather than later is likely to add up for a ton of savings over time.
     
  3. Space Ghost

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    My previous posts state clearly that prevenative Healthcare is very significant. I am mocking the free annual Healthcare checkup offered by insurance companies.

    It's important to teach people how to monitor their own health. Getting frequent blood work and vitals is highly underrated. However a person needs to be able to track and monitor, along with a health care provider. Jumping from one provider to another who doesn't have history is not very valuable unless the person is going into a bad state. Stuff like blood work and vitals should be very economical. We are headed in that direction. If the Healthcare cartel had it their way, a person would be required to see a doctor to check their temperature for fever.

    Epics MyCharts is going in the right direction.
     
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    Got it, but where is your source for that (gain in low-wage jobs but loss in high-wage jobs)? Or was that just a troll post?
     
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    You are triggered. And you are definitely a partisan.
     
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    During the Obamacare debates ages ago, preventative care was found to have a paradoxical effect of adding more elderly which in turn increased costs in the long run. It's because EOL care was the main driver for expensive out of control costs and resources while fatties and smokers died early enough to give into the system more than they took (similar to the social security "dilemma").

    Meanwhile EOL care happening first in emergency rooms (for poor or unplanned) then extensive stays in ICUs were longshot efforts that ran up bills and only offered a slim chance to extend the loved one's life (terrible cost to benefit).

    Many families couldn't talk about death and estate planning, let alone pull the plug on their loved ones so they banked on insurance or risked bills debt collection would unlikely nbe recovered if the patient died. This debate was the root cause of Sarah Palin's faux outrage of "Obama Death Panels takin gran gran's Meddycare and deciding her life on the hospital bed!"

    The country doesn't have the luxury of talking about present day Terry Schiavos anymore.

    But does that mean prevention is a bad thing if healthcare costs look worse in the long run? The first step is to admit it does increase long term costs as nothing in this stage can be easily solved or answered by a politician's soundbyte. Next is to emphasize quality of living over total cost. Preventative care isn't only about getting hooked on cholesterol pills. Not having cavities, then fillings, then root canals means you're saved from pain and preventable catastrophic costs.

    Furthermore there's a lesson in simplifying/gaming numbers for points, Sure, healthcare costs increase disproportionately to age, but alongside increasing QoL, having more healthy workers adds productivity and unmeasured benefits to society.

    Finally you promote proactive measures like educating families on the personal costs of EoL care where it becomes literal torture for the patient at a rapid and astronomical pace while de-escalating their emotional and moral obligation to not feel responsible/guilty for "killing" their loved ones.

    This doesn't necessarily move beyond the demographic crunch of supporting a growing and extended elderly population, but it would expose real issues to handle rather than points oft-repeated by both sides during the campaign cycle and superficially addressed a decade or three later.
     
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    @Salvy HUD and biden administration have transformed section 9 where they automatically ACH you the money every month and they pay market rate. The entire system has been transformed for the good

    If you're not making money blame yourself. Section 9 is one of the hottest things right now
     
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    Lmao, yeah the only problem is you are trying to convince someone who is in real estate that section 9 is good.... Its not always the money, properties are expensive to repair. My rental properties are remodeled or heavily updated, I'm not a slum lord and I don't rent out properties that are in bad shape just for a section 8/9 check. My number one priority in rental properties is tenants that will take care of the property, tenants with good credit and good jobs/careers tend to take care of properties way more than those who are under government assistance. Why wouldn't they? Its their deposit, credit and money on the line. I rather rent under market and have the home taken care of than at market and have the home destroyed. There is no way that housing will ever take responsibility for property damage, it will never happen and despite being "strict" people will always find a way to work around it.
    I worked with eviction and foreclosure cases for nearly 8 years, I have seen some $hit you wouldn't believe. People aren't ever honest about anything, and who do you think the majority of eviction cases going through the JP courts were? Housing... It will always be housing.
     
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    He’s completely right, and you’re right about preventative care being the best thing.

    a yearly physical (as done by a lot of folks, not talking about experienced physicians worth their weight in gold), is incredibly low yeild unless you’re chewing tobacco around the clock or living a life with a lot of risks where really bad things will declare themselves . Then yea catching an oral cancer etc can be life changing but selling it as it is for everyone is like sneaking a turd in a cake

    it doesn’t come down to Biden here, more so Obama and his administration while well intentioned essentially rewarded bigness and bundle payments. This opened the door for the most out in the open and unethical monopoly we have ever seen. By manipulating payment models, buying out individual practices to get rid of the competition and later putting the squeeze on whoever they can, pressuring them into care that generates the most profit.

    private equity essentially took the space between provider and patient, inserted itself like a cartel or
    Pimp making up roles and excuses to exist so they could **** both parties over.

    the things I’ve seen and heard are insane. I’ve turned down mind boggling up front deals and it’s been good because at least I can sleep at night.

    Summary: Obamacare intentionally triggered a monopoly where doctor licensure , ethics, and decades of training were cast aside for private equity using quality metrics looking at patients as banks and tax write offs similar to how they do for companies.
     
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    you parroting disjoineted convenient baseless claims again
     
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    All Americans hope for continued improvements in the economy. Well, all Americans except trump and his supporters…

     
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    Hes truly a piece of **** human being. I just don't get how anyone can support this POS.

    We need to stop treating his followers with kid gloves. They're bad people
     
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    Ironic given the incredibly racist treatment of Mexican Americans during Hoover's tenure...
     
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    While trump is praying that the economy will crash and millions will starve/unemployed democrats are about to bring back expanded child tax credit which cut poverty in half and lifted millions out of poverty

    @LosPollosHermanos you people are genuinely pathetic
     
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  18. LosPollosHermanos

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    I’ll cut some slack on the economy. Knowing where to go, speaking coherently, not sniffing/groping kids is where I’d like to see some improvement

    don’t hate me, more than any incumbent, he’s polling historically low and members of his own party doesn’t want him to run. I’m sure they’re just trumpers!!!
     
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    Hahaha sniffing kids. Your guy wanted to **** his daughter and was on the epistein list more than 7 timesLMAO. speaking coherently?! In the past 2 weeks trump has claimed ww2 hasn't happened, thought Obama was the president.



    No matter how much you dipshits wanna deflect your cult leader wanted to send us Marshall's to voting centers to cease voting machines. Your guy then found fake electors to ILLEGALLY try to take the place of legally elected nominees.

    It's just funny how you dipshits compare a literal insurrection to whatever bs you claim about biden. You people are traitors to the country
     
  20. LosPollosHermanos

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    I don’t have a guy , I’ve told you.

    remember how you were telling @trustme to
    Chill and calm down in the other thread, where’s that same attitude lol

    you take bidens honor way to seriously, I think you’re a good dude btw but you have to understand politicians are all pos
     

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