It's time to start thinking about moving Jalen before the deadline

I won't criticize Jalen there. He was doubled and had to make a quick decision. Landale should have never been on the court in that situation. Actually, he really shouldn't be on the court in any situation. He played a really good game. Tough loss though.

They have to get a backup big man

 

That idea actually has merit since he seems to lose confidence if he can't get going

 

Nook suggested Brooks holding Jalen accountable for defense on the court might have something to do with it.

 

Also true.

DD

 

According to Udoka in the postgame, it was designed to be a pick and pop. My guess is that if the defense did not switch, Green would have an open pull up 3. If they switched, Green could still have a semi open step back 3. If they double teamed Green, the big man would have an open 3 at the top.

Unfortunately, Udoka put in the wrong big man. Jeff would be a much better 3pt shooter than Jock.
Fortunately, Green did follow the design and pass to the big man when the defense doubled on him.
Unfortunately, Landale screwed up by rolling to the basket rather than popping to the 3pt line.
Fortunately, the Philly defenders at the corners screwed up by converging to contest the layup rather than staying with their men. (They should have let the guy make the layup and got the ball back with 2 second left. Contesting the shot could potentially result in an and-1.)
Unfortunately, Landale screwed up by not passing to the wide open corner shooters.

So Udoka screwed up once.
Philly screwed up once.
Landale screwed up twice.

Green didn't screw up by following the design of the play. (Well, maybe he should have recognized Landale screwing up and just shot the ball instead of passing to him.)

 

What the hell are you talking about?

 

Jalen had 2 guys on him that's why he passed the ball. Not sure why people keep saying he should have shot the ball.

 

Fortunately and unfortunately we are way overanalyzing a play lol........but yeah, if we contained Maxey, would not have that problem to begin with.

 

I don't fault Green for that play, he made the right play and Landale made a bad decision.

That said, the game was lost at the FT line. The Sixers shot 88% while the Rockets shot 71%.

Someone makes one *&%@ing FT and it's a different game, they only need a 2 to tie instead of a 3 which instead wins the game.

I won't point any fingers .... You can check the box score to see who left points on the table there.

 

FTs were scarce to be honest, Jeff Green, Jalen Green, Sengün, Amen all missed one or two.

It was a tale about Philly winning 2 Quarters and the Rox winning 2 Quarters but Philly won them by a larger margin.

 

Jalen’s numbers are starting to look eerily similar to another former top 3 pick, RJ Barrett. The Knicks have finally given up on him and on the trade market everyone knows that Quickley was the real prize for Toronto while Barrett was just salary filler.

I don’t think Jalen has fallen to those depths yet, I do still have hope that he turns his efficiency around, as low as I have always been on his defense and playmaking, I did believe he could be an efficient scorer one day. That belief diminishes week by week and year by year that it does not materialize. If he eventually ends up being a poor defender who is also inefficient then as Barrett has shown the trade market will be depressed. The good news is we haven’t paid Jalen like Barrett yet.

 

I dunno on the RJ comparison. Green had more 30 and 40pt games than RJ last year on way better efficiency stats. He also had better scoring averages. In his second year. With a piss poor coach. You're reaching almost as hard as DD in truth, not quite, but almost.

 

It is hard to see things before casuals like you......but you can't fault others because they can.

DD

 

It is the problem that Jalen can score 50 and his led team still is able to lose the game......so how many games of 30 or 40 games do not count for him as for others.......

So his 40 or 50 game becomes hollow eye candy for nothing.

He does not do other things elite enough to be able to impact the game......

 

We are okay (not ideal) with Jalen as long as he is on his rookie scale. Paying Jalen even as much as he makes now just compounds the already not ideal situation.

 

I will say DD you are definitely not a casual. Probably the worst Prognosticator of talent on the board, but not a casual. I guess Ime is a casual for not taking your sage advice. It’s incredible how long you held on to DM and have given up on Amen after 10 games.

 

I have not done any such thing, given up on no one - I think Jalen will be an ok player but it will take years to get him consistent.

I think Amen only lacks a shot, and hopefully he is in the gym daily for 1 - 2 hours alone with a shot coach, the sooner he does that the sooner he can impact the team, right now, he is just a bit player...because he isn't a shot threat.

And don't fall for the narrative that DD doesn't get players right, I hit and miss about the same as others, but I am really early when I see things like KPJ is better than Green....got blasted for that....but ended up being right in the end. It happens.

DD

 

If this is true, and it very well may be, then we need to move on from Jalen asap because as a top option he clearly is a losing player and does not elevate the roster a la Harden during his time here. If he can’t be a role player, which is clearly what his skill/consistency level dictates him as, then he doesn’t have a future here.

 

But at the end of the day still not very efficient. Jalen has the trajectory of Wiggins and RJ now, high draft picks, great physical tools, can't score efficiently. Both RJ and Wiggins got massive contracts that needed to be dumped due to "potential" that wasn't realized. I hope Rockets don't make that mistake.

I am willing to bet on Green's potential if the contract is reasonable.

 

I think it would benefit Jalen’s career a lot if he could get traded to a contender where there is both a clear superstar he can play off of in a support role, and they play a high octane offense where he can get out and run a bit more.

With Ime’s system and our personnel I think they are trying to plug a square box into a round hole.

I’ve said for weeks I want to just see what happens from Dec to the end of January before Stone shops him hard before the deadline. However I think I might have seen enough now already to know that maybe it’s best to start shopping a bit harder now…. Mostly because I think it’s right move for Jalen if he can get into a better situation.